Eurocopter Tiger (EC 665)

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Egy ez év januári elemzés az Tigerek leváltását célzó Land 4503 ARH Replacement Program három pályázójáról...
https://www.rusi.org.au/resources/Documents/NAT/2020_01_31 RUSIDSS-A Capability Paper - LAND 4503 ARH Replacement Program.pdf

- ARH Tiger Upgrade
- Boeing AH-64E Apache Guardian
- Bell AH-1Z Viper

Szintén azoknak akik nem akarják végigolvasni az anyagot néhány kiemelés ami rávilágít ki is lesz a nyertes...

  • Although ARH Tiger has seen difficulties with regards to radio communication system obsolescence, the three contenders are expected to put forward a solution that provides sufficient modern aircraft secure voice and data communications capabilities. Consideration should be made as to which systems offered have sustainable through life support and perhaps commonality throughout the ADF inventory;
  • The standard NATO TDL for interoperability is Link 16. The Apache has a proven Link 16 TDL with the Viasat STT. The Viper has a planned Link 16 upgrade due for service release in 2022. ARH Tiger has already had an upgrade to its TDL capability with an Elbit Systems Australia developed “interim TDL”. It has been rumoured that the Tiger Mk.3 upgrade may offer a Link 16 option, but it is yet to be confirmed.
  • All three aircraft have the minimum navigation suite to achieve an IFR certification and Military Type Certificate. Both US aircraft have fully integrated MSOc145 compliant M-Code ready EGI’s (currently SAASM), which not only gives them a certification advantage with regards to navigation and ATCRBS (Mode S, ADS-B and Mode 5), but it also future proofs their upgrade capability to the next generation protected GPS technology. The ARH’s EGI has provided difficulties for the ARH’s Mode 5 upgrade program and is planned to be upgraded as part of the Tiger Mk.3 upgrade. The integration of an upgraded EGI for the ARH Tiger should be considered as a significant risk for the following reasons: o History of integration issues with the ARH avionics suite o Access to US protected (M-Code) technology for integration on European designed aircraft can be difficult (there were major political and logistics issues originally getting SAASM chipsets installed in European EGI’s)
Ha jól értem, akkor azt akarod mutatni, hogy drágán szart...
 

kamm

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értjük, értjük.
Ami már az övék, azt meg kell venni!
Na lapozzunk!

Ez kb elarul mindent, hogyan is jatszik Amerika:

"Access to US protected (M-Code) technology for integration on European designed aircraft can be difficult (there were major political and logistics issues originally getting SAASM chipsets installed in European EGI’s)"
 
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pöcshuszár

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Biztos? Nem csak par darabert nem eri meg hekkelni?

A masik, hogy ha jol remlik, a Tiger eredetileg anti-tank role, ami az elmult 20+ evben hatterbe szorult, de az uj hideghaboruval Europaban megint kritikus lesz... erre ketlem, hogy lesz penz, de szerintem tuti, hogy ha berendelnenk 2026 korul mondjuk ebbol is egy 16-18 darabot, tuti, hogy legyartanak - ez kb olyasmi arban lenne, mint a sokkal oregebb 1Z Viper, mondjuk $30-40M korul, nem?

Az ausztralokkal elboltohatnank, de azokkal nem valami olyaasmi volt, hogy lejart egyszeruen a frame elettartama...?
Biztos.
A Tigerek váltására az új ausztrál tenderre bejelentkezett az Airbus is. Mégpedig úgy, hogy úgy váltja le a Tigereket, hogy maradnak, de MKIII-ra fejleszti őket.
A kiírásnál gondosan ügyeltek rá az Ausztrál Védelmi Minisztériumban, hogy több gép kelljen, hogy az Airbus már ne tudjon indulni, pont a leállított gyártás miatt. :rolleyes:
És erre adtak volna az Airbusnál olyan megoldást, hogy a felújított, upgrade-elt Tigerek mellé a hiányzó darabokat H145M-mel pótolják.
A gépekben különben fajlagosan kevés óra van, mert az elején technikai problémáik voltak, és az alkatrészellátás elég problémás volt a világ másik végére, ráadásul mivel minden rendszeresítő eltérő verziókat rendelt egy csomó alkatrész egymással sem volt kompatibilis. Közben megoldották a technikai problémákat, és helyi készleteket raktároznak "down under". Csak már olyan rossz a sajtója a gépnek, - annak ellenére, hogy a katonák véleménye már megváltozott -, hogy nagyon nehéz lesz elérni, hogy ne cseréljék le őket amerikai gépekre.
 

Terminator

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A Tiger a túlélésért küzd az ausztrál ARH tenderen...

Nem jött be az Airbus "Tigris mellé H145M" terve, az ausztrálokat nem érdekli.

"The idea of an H145M top-up, however, failed to pique the interest of Australia’s DoD. With that avenue shut off, Airbus will focus instead on somehow obtaining seven additional Tigers."

A Tigris imázsát tovább rontja az MRH90-gyel való kapcsolata, amelyet az Airbus is támogat...

"Further tarnishing the Tiger’s image is its association with the MRH90, which is also supported by Airbus and had a similarly troubled service entry."
 

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Nekem sincs előfizetésem, de nekem megnyitja.

Kimásolom:

"Chronic’ trouble with chopper fleet



Defence’s troubled Airbus helicopters, the MRH-90 Taipan and ARH Tiger, are suffering from a raft of newly disclosed problems ranging from “chronic” spare parts shortages to issues with doors and rotors, slashing availability of the key military aircraft.

Amid growing pressure for Defence to buy American, the department has detailed fresh problems with the European-designed helicopters which cut the MRH-90’s flying hours by 46 per cent, and the ARH’s by 35 per cent, against planned 2019-20 targets.
Labor has called for an independent audit of Defence’s entire helicopter acquisition program after the department provided a detailed update on the problems with both helicopters.

Defence said “chronic shortages” of spare parts had resulted in a maintenance backlog affecting all MRH-90s — the army’s workhorse troop transport helicopter.
“A reduction of available aircraft has directly impacted the total flying hour rate of effort,” it said in answer to a Labor question.

Defence also revealed an issue with the MRH-90’s cabin doors — which are too narrow to allow a door gun to be permanently mounted and still allow troops to exit the aircraft in combat zones — led to the grounding of the Taipan fleet in March this year.

A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy
A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy

An already disclosed issue with the helicopter’s tail rotor blade also put the army’s 47 Taipans out of action for several months from July 2019.
“Approximately 2500 hours were lost in the period July 2019 to March 2020,” Defence said, from a planned 9670 hours for the year.

In a blast for manufacturer Airbus, the department said modelling on maintenance hours per flying hour had “not proven correct, impacting the commonwealth cost of ownership models”.

“Increases to unscheduled maintenance-due aircraft reliability has impacted the operational units’ ability to generate higher flying hour rates of effort and have increased platform cost of ownership,” the department Defence revealed.
Incorrect data provided by the manufacturer on the ARH Tiger, which are set to be dumped for a US-made alternative, had also understated the cost per flying hour of that helicopter, the department said.

The 22-aircraft ARH fleet achieved 3456 flying hours in 2019-20, compared to a budgeted 5300 flying hours. Defence said a “main rotor head bushings serviceability issue” had reduced the Tiger’s reliability.
Labor’s assistant defence spokesman Pat Conroy said the availability of both helicopters had been unacceptably low since 2016, with no resolution in sight.

“It is clear there are serious issues with the billions of dollars worth of helicopters acquired by the Coalition government which is having a significant impact on the aircraft’s availability,” he said.

“This clearly demonstrates the need for Defence to commission an independent audit of the entire helicopter acquisition program as recommended by Parliament’s Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit.
“The government cannot blame the COVID-19 for these shortfalls,” Mr Conroy said.

“What is the Defence Minister doing to fix this ongoing issue?”
Defence officials told Senate estimates in October the door on the army’s $3.8bn helicopters was too narrow to allow its gun to fire while troops were exiting the aircraft. The navy’s version of the helicopter has also experienced an “ongoing problem” with its cargo hook design.

The Tiger is set to be replaced with either the Boeing Apache AH64E or the Bell Bell AH-1Z Viper. Defence sources have confirmed that the Apache is the most likely candidate.

Ben Packham - 1:33PM December 28, 2020"
 

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Kimásolom:

"Chronic’ trouble with chopper fleet



Defence’s troubled Airbus helicopters, the MRH-90 Taipan and ARH Tiger, are suffering from a raft of newly disclosed problems ranging from “chronic” spare parts shortages to issues with doors and rotors, slashing availability of the key military aircraft.

Amid growing pressure for Defence to buy American, the department has detailed fresh problems with the European-designed helicopters which cut the MRH-90’s flying hours by 46 per cent, and the ARH’s by 35 per cent, against planned 2019-20 targets.
Labor has called for an independent audit of Defence’s entire helicopter acquisition program after the department provided a detailed update on the problems with both helicopters.

Defence said “chronic shortages” of spare parts had resulted in a maintenance backlog affecting all MRH-90s — the army’s workhorse troop transport helicopter.
“A reduction of available aircraft has directly impacted the total flying hour rate of effort,” it said in answer to a Labor question.

Defence also revealed an issue with the MRH-90’s cabin doors — which are too narrow to allow a door gun to be permanently mounted and still allow troops to exit the aircraft in combat zones — led to the grounding of the Taipan fleet in March this year.

A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy
A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy

An already disclosed issue with the helicopter’s tail rotor blade also put the army’s 47 Taipans out of action for several months from July 2019.
“Approximately 2500 hours were lost in the period July 2019 to March 2020,” Defence said, from a planned 9670 hours for the year.

In a blast for manufacturer Airbus, the department said modelling on maintenance hours per flying hour had “not proven correct, impacting the commonwealth cost of ownership models”.

“Increases to unscheduled maintenance-due aircraft reliability has impacted the operational units’ ability to generate higher flying hour rates of effort and have increased platform cost of ownership,” the department Defence revealed.
Incorrect data provided by the manufacturer on the ARH Tiger, which are set to be dumped for a US-made alternative, had also understated the cost per flying hour of that helicopter, the department said.

The 22-aircraft ARH fleet achieved 3456 flying hours in 2019-20, compared to a budgeted 5300 flying hours. Defence said a “main rotor head bushings serviceability issue” had reduced the Tiger’s reliability.
Labor’s assistant defence spokesman Pat Conroy said the availability of both helicopters had been unacceptably low since 2016, with no resolution in sight.

“It is clear there are serious issues with the billions of dollars worth of helicopters acquired by the Coalition government which is having a significant impact on the aircraft’s availability,” he said.

“This clearly demonstrates the need for Defence to commission an independent audit of the entire helicopter acquisition program as recommended by Parliament’s Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit.
“The government cannot blame the COVID-19 for these shortfalls,” Mr Conroy said.

“What is the Defence Minister doing to fix this ongoing issue?”
Defence officials told Senate estimates in October the door on the army’s $3.8bn helicopters was too narrow to allow its gun to fire while troops were exiting the aircraft. The navy’s version of the helicopter has also experienced an “ongoing problem” with its cargo hook design.

The Tiger is set to be replaced with either the Boeing Apache AH64E or the Bell Bell AH-1Z Viper. Defence sources have confirmed that the Apache is the most likely candidate.

Ben Packham - 1:33PM December 28, 2020"
A fejlesztés alatt álló Mk.3 változatnál v.színű elég mélyen bele kell nyúlni a konstrukcióba hogy a Tiger használható fegyverré váljon..
 

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Kimásolom:

"Chronic’ trouble with chopper fleet



Defence’s troubled Airbus helicopters, the MRH-90 Taipan and ARH Tiger, are suffering from a raft of newly disclosed problems ranging from “chronic” spare parts shortages to issues with doors and rotors, slashing availability of the key military aircraft.

Amid growing pressure for Defence to buy American, the department has detailed fresh problems with the European-designed helicopters which cut the MRH-90’s flying hours by 46 per cent, and the ARH’s by 35 per cent, against planned 2019-20 targets.
Labor has called for an independent audit of Defence’s entire helicopter acquisition program after the department provided a detailed update on the problems with both helicopters.

Defence said “chronic shortages” of spare parts had resulted in a maintenance backlog affecting all MRH-90s — the army’s workhorse troop transport helicopter.
“A reduction of available aircraft has directly impacted the total flying hour rate of effort,” it said in answer to a Labor question.

Defence also revealed an issue with the MRH-90’s cabin doors — which are too narrow to allow a door gun to be permanently mounted and still allow troops to exit the aircraft in combat zones — led to the grounding of the Taipan fleet in March this year.

A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy
A pair of army ARH Tiger helicopters take part in a demonstration before the 2019 Avalon Airshow in Victoria. Picture: Stuart McEvoy

An already disclosed issue with the helicopter’s tail rotor blade also put the army’s 47 Taipans out of action for several months from July 2019.
“Approximately 2500 hours were lost in the period July 2019 to March 2020,” Defence said, from a planned 9670 hours for the year.

In a blast for manufacturer Airbus, the department said modelling on maintenance hours per flying hour had “not proven correct, impacting the commonwealth cost of ownership models”.

“Increases to unscheduled maintenance-due aircraft reliability has impacted the operational units’ ability to generate higher flying hour rates of effort and have increased platform cost of ownership,” the department Defence revealed.
Incorrect data provided by the manufacturer on the ARH Tiger, which are set to be dumped for a US-made alternative, had also understated the cost per flying hour of that helicopter, the department said.

The 22-aircraft ARH fleet achieved 3456 flying hours in 2019-20, compared to a budgeted 5300 flying hours. Defence said a “main rotor head bushings serviceability issue” had reduced the Tiger’s reliability.
Labor’s assistant defence spokesman Pat Conroy said the availability of both helicopters had been unacceptably low since 2016, with no resolution in sight.

“It is clear there are serious issues with the billions of dollars worth of helicopters acquired by the Coalition government which is having a significant impact on the aircraft’s availability,” he said.

“This clearly demonstrates the need for Defence to commission an independent audit of the entire helicopter acquisition program as recommended by Parliament’s Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit.
“The government cannot blame the COVID-19 for these shortfalls,” Mr Conroy said.

“What is the Defence Minister doing to fix this ongoing issue?”
Defence officials told Senate estimates in October the door on the army’s $3.8bn helicopters was too narrow to allow its gun to fire while troops were exiting the aircraft. The navy’s version of the helicopter has also experienced an “ongoing problem” with its cargo hook design.

The Tiger is set to be replaced with either the Boeing Apache AH64E or the Bell Bell AH-1Z Viper. Defence sources have confirmed that the Apache is the most likely candidate.

Ben Packham - 1:33PM December 28, 2020"
És van ehhez a cikkhez valamilyen forrás is, mert nekem nagyon úgy tűnik, hogy ez a nyilvánosságra hozott 3456 flying hours-ból kanyarintott szösszenet.
Ez meg egyenesen hazugság:
Labor’s assistant defence spokesman Pat Conroy said the availability of both helicopters had been unacceptably low since 2016, with no resolution in sight.
Igen egy "igazmondó" politikusra hivatkoznak... :rolleyes:
A légierő tábornoka ennek ellenkezőjét állította.
Mivel már meg van ágyazva az Airbus kigolyózásának, így meg kell pár cikknek jelennie azért, hogy a közvéleménynek lehessen valamivel indokolni az amerikai gépek kipengetését.

Azt meg ne próbálják már meg beadni, hogy a repült órák mennyiségét nem befolyásolta a COVID-19. Ez is nettó hazugság. Itthon is törölve lett minden nemzetközi gyakorlat, de a hazaiak is igencsak meg lettek kurtítva. Szóval kezeljük helyén az ilyen propaganda cikkeket!
 
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Terminator

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Azt a jelentést kellene megtalálni, honnan ezt az adatot vették. A Védelmi minisztériumra hivatkoznak, annak lehet valamilyen jelentése, ami valamikor decemberben jelenhetett meg. Az előbb néztem át ausztrál számvevőszék (ANAO) december elején megjelent jelentését, de ott csak a MHR90-et vizsgálták.
 

Allesmor Obranna

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Harci helikopternek papír, könnyű helikopternek meg túl egyfeladatos, túl harci ez a Tiger.
A harci helikopternek kalapácsnak kell lennie. Akár páncélozott, mint a Mi-28-as, akár csak részlegesen, mint a Ka-52-es, akár csak éppenhogy, mint Az AH-64-es család, vagy az AH-1-esek, de ütnie tudi kell.
Ez a Tiger nekem mindig is csak egy kis kikönnyített zümike volt, ami szép is meg modern is, de tele van integrációs problémákkal, a német és a francia már eleve nem is ugyanazt az alváltozatot rendszeresítette, kicsi a darabszám, drága az egész és amit tud, azt elviekben rá lehetne tenni akármelyik Airbus helikopterre is.
 

Parapitecus

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Harci helikopternek papír, könnyű helikopternek meg túl egyfeladatos, túl harci ez a Tiger.
A harci helikopternek kalapácsnak kell lennie. Akár páncélozott, mint a Mi-28-as, akár csak részlegesen, mint a Ka-52-es, akár csak éppenhogy, mint Az AH-64-es család, vagy az AH-1-esek, de ütnie tudi kell.
Ez a Tiger nekem mindig is csak egy kis kikönnyített zümike volt, ami szép is meg modern is, de tele van integrációs problémákkal, a német és a francia már eleve nem is ugyanazt az alváltozatot rendszeresítette, kicsi a darabszám, drága az egész és amit tud, azt elviekben rá lehetne tenni akármelyik Airbus helikopterre is.
Ez mondjuk így nem igaz.