Lengyel haderőfejlesztési program (2032) és hadiipar
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+ van egy saját Spike koppintásuk Moskit néven...
De ezeket üzemeltetni is kell...Az államadósságuk még mindig csak a GDP 50%-körül jár...
Nem kell. Nagy része raktárba megy szerintem...
Az USA-nak van kb ennyi HIMARS-a, pedig az nem egy 300 ezres haderő, mint amire lengyelek vágynak...
Beteszem ide is, a lengyelek a meglévő 14 HIMARS mellé újabb 486 darabot rendeltek.
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Polonia a semnat contractul pentru a achiziționa 486 de lansatoare HIMARS de la compania americană Lockheed Martin. Livrările vor începe la sfârșitul lui 2025. - Biziday
Cele 486 de lansatoare se adaugă altor 14 comandate de Varșovia în 2019. Partea americană va furniza, de asemenea, asistență tehnică. Nu este clar în
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Ha jól kapisgálom akkor csak keret szerződés, még az ár csincs tisztázva.
I will repeat it because apparently many people still do not notice this small "detail". A framework agreement was signed today, i.e. a nicer-sounding "declaration of willingness to purchase" the equipment. Real contracts, i.e. executive ones, are still being planned and they will mean the purchase of one or another number of HIMARS.
I will repeat it because apparently many people still do not notice this small "detail". A framework agreement was signed today, i.e. a nicer-sounding "declaration of willingness to purchase" the equipment. Real contracts, i.e. executive ones, are still being planned and they will mean the purchase of one or another number of HIMARS.
28 rakétatüzér osztály? Mire? Van négy hadosztályuk. Az hadosztályonként hét osztály. És ez csak a HIMARS, mert van más is! 288+75 azaz + 20 osztály. Valamit benéztek ezek. Hova, miből, milyen struktúrába???A lengyelek a meglévő 14 db HIMARS-ukhoz másik 486 darabot rendeltek.
Polonia a semnat contractul pentru a achiziționa 486 de lansatoare HIMARS de la compania americană Lockheed Martin. Livrările vor începe la sfârșitul lui 2025. - Biziday
Cele 486 de lansatoare se adaugă altor 14 comandate de Varșovia în 2019. Partea americană va furniza, de asemenea, asistență tehnică. Nu este clar în
Ha jól értem, akkor az indító részt veszik meg és ezt még saját gépre akarják felpakolni, ráadásul saját CMS-be fogják integrálni. Továbbá még egyéb cuccok is vannak a 10 milliárdban (valszeg).
Csak így van szervezeti értelme:
4x hadosztály (minden dd 1x osztály +rakétatüzér dd) = HIMARS
+ minden területvédelmi dd 1x osztály = Chumnoo és Langusta
Ez eszement. Ennek a drónok miatt nincs értelme. Valakik a hidegháborút akarják újravívni lengyel oldalon, leszarva a cirkálódrónok rakétatüzérséget kiváltó jelentőségét.
4x hadosztály (minden dd 1x osztály +rakétatüzér dd) = HIMARS
+ minden területvédelmi dd 1x osztály = Chumnoo és Langusta
Ez eszement. Ennek a drónok miatt nincs értelme. Valakik a hidegháborút akarják újravívni lengyel oldalon, leszarva a cirkálódrónok rakétatüzérséget kiváltó jelentőségét.
Ráadásul rakétatüzérség a területvédelemnek, ahol valamilyen olcsó teherautós 155 osztály lenne az ideális dd tüzérség? A XXI. Században a rakétatüzérség egy irányított lőszert, 50 km feletti lőtávon tüzelő, hadosztály vagy hadtest szintű erő 50-500 km-et elérő lőszerekkel moduláris kivitelben. Azalatt a 155-ös lövegek és cirkálódrónok teljesen és olcsóbban átvették a helyét. Részben a counterbattery funkcióban is.
Értelmetlenek a lengyel számok. De jó, hogy szétverték a magyar hadsereget, megszabadultunk a fejlődésképtelen főtisztektől is!
Értelmetlenek a lengyel számok. De jó, hogy szétverték a magyar hadsereget, megszabadultunk a fejlődésképtelen főtisztektől is!
WASHINGTON, September 11, 2023 -
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Poland of an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $4.0 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Poland has requested to buy phase two of a two-phase program for an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) enabled PATRIOT Configuration-3+ with modernized sensors and components; the sale includes ninety-three (93) Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) Engagement Operation Centers (EOCs) and one hundred seventy-five (175) IBCS Integrated Fire Control Network (IFCN) relays. Also included are network encryptors; IBCS software development and component integration; U.S. Government and contractor technical support; System Integration Lab (SIL) infrastructure; SIL test tools and equipment; U.S. Government and contractor technical support for SIL; flight test infrastructure and equipment; flight test targets; flight test range costs and fees; U.S. Government and Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) flight test services and support; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $4.0 billion.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally that is a force for political stability and economic progress in Europe.
The proposed sale will improve Poland’s missile defense capability and contribute to Poland’s goal of updating its military capability while further enhancing interoperability with the United States and other allies. Poland will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Northrup Grumman, Huntsville, AL. The purchaser has requested offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the contractor(s).
Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately forty (40) U.S. Government and/or forty-five (45) contractor representatives to travel to Poland for an extended period for equipment deprocessing and fielding, system checkout, training, and technical and logistics support.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value are for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Poland of an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $4.0 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Poland has requested to buy phase two of a two-phase program for an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) enabled PATRIOT Configuration-3+ with modernized sensors and components; the sale includes ninety-three (93) Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) Engagement Operation Centers (EOCs) and one hundred seventy-five (175) IBCS Integrated Fire Control Network (IFCN) relays. Also included are network encryptors; IBCS software development and component integration; U.S. Government and contractor technical support; System Integration Lab (SIL) infrastructure; SIL test tools and equipment; U.S. Government and contractor technical support for SIL; flight test infrastructure and equipment; flight test targets; flight test range costs and fees; U.S. Government and Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) flight test services and support; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $4.0 billion.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally that is a force for political stability and economic progress in Europe.
The proposed sale will improve Poland’s missile defense capability and contribute to Poland’s goal of updating its military capability while further enhancing interoperability with the United States and other allies. Poland will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Northrup Grumman, Huntsville, AL. The purchaser has requested offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the contractor(s).
Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately forty (40) U.S. Government and/or forty-five (45) contractor representatives to travel to Poland for an extended period for equipment deprocessing and fielding, system checkout, training, and technical and logistics support.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value are for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.
Amatör vagyok, de egy megfelelő katonai doktrin nélkül vásárolgatni nem tűnik túl józan döntésnek. Tudja itt valaki hogy mi a célja ennek a sok beszerzésnek? Mert a védelemhez túl sok, támadáshoz meg túl kevés. A haderő létszámigényéről még nem is beszéltünk.
ezt nem értem
vsz technika lecserélése , "honvédelem" céljából felállítani még 2 hadosztályt , létrehozni Európa kb legbrutálisabb szárazföldi haderejét
védelemre semmi sem túl sok
ezt meg így kijelenteni nem lehet, borzasztóan relatív, ki ellen? milyen környezetben? milyen/melyik doktrina szerint? mennyire tudják alkalmazni a választott doktrinát? mennyire hatékonyan tud ez a haderő támadó műveleteket végrehajtani?
a létszám ahhoz képest amennyi technikát berendeltek tényleg MÉG kevés, bár ez is relatív, de ha azt veszed, elég komoly a mostani létszám is a környezetükhöz képest
Az a cél, hogy NATO nélkül meg tudják magukat védeni és senkinek ne jusson még csak eszébe se Lengyeloból anektálni.
Az orosz haderő 2030 elött nem fog felállni a jelenlegi katasztrófából, annyi idejük van.
WASHINGTON, September 13, 2023 -
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Poland of F-16 Sustainment and related equipment for an estimated cost of $389 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Poland has requested to buy additional non-MDE articles and services, as indicated below, that will be added to a previously implemented case whose value was under the congressional notification threshold. The original FMS case, valued at $82 million, included articles and services in support of F-16 aircraft sustainment.
This notification is for the combined non-MDE F-16 sustainment articles and services, which includes Electronic Warfare database reprogramming support; classified and unclassified software delivery and support; classified and unclassified publications and technical documentation; spare parts, consumables, accessories, and repair and return support; computer program identification numbers; engine Component Improvement Program support; minor modifications; maintenance and maintenance support; studies and surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $389 million.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally that is a force for political stability and economic progress in Europe.
The proposed sale will improve Poland’s capability to meet current and future threats by increasing the reliability of their F-16 fleet. Poland has purchased sustainment support for the F-16s in its inventory for many years, and will have no difficulty absorbing these articles and services into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Fort Worth, TX. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to Poland.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value are for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Poland of F-16 Sustainment and related equipment for an estimated cost of $389 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Poland has requested to buy additional non-MDE articles and services, as indicated below, that will be added to a previously implemented case whose value was under the congressional notification threshold. The original FMS case, valued at $82 million, included articles and services in support of F-16 aircraft sustainment.
This notification is for the combined non-MDE F-16 sustainment articles and services, which includes Electronic Warfare database reprogramming support; classified and unclassified software delivery and support; classified and unclassified publications and technical documentation; spare parts, consumables, accessories, and repair and return support; computer program identification numbers; engine Component Improvement Program support; minor modifications; maintenance and maintenance support; studies and surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $389 million.
This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by improving the security of a North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally that is a force for political stability and economic progress in Europe.
The proposed sale will improve Poland’s capability to meet current and future threats by increasing the reliability of their F-16 fleet. Poland has purchased sustainment support for the F-16s in its inventory for many years, and will have no difficulty absorbing these articles and services into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin, Fort Worth, TX. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to Poland.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law. The description and dollar value are for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.
Arra céloztam, hogy van-e egy lengyel katonai doktrin,esetleg fenyegetettségkép, aminek alapján vásárolgatnak. Értelmetlen csak azért fűt-fát összevásárolni, hogy "erősek" legyenek. Hogyan passzol ez a fegyverkezés a "védelmi szövetség" nato doktrinához?
Értelemszerűen a fegyverkezés csak Oo-al lehet kapcsolatos. Vagy azért, hogy egyedül védekezni tudjanak ellene, vagy, hogy meg tudják a siker reményében egyedűl támadni. Hacsak nem feltételezzük, hogy a szintén nato szövetséges No-al kapcsolatos a fegyverkezés. Egy orosz támadás elháritására a tervezett erő szerintem (különösen, ha figyelembe vesszük a nato tagságukat) túldimenzionált. Egy önálló támadásra az atomhatalom Oo ellen meg kevés,már csak a két ország lakósságszáma (45 mio 145 mio ellen...) miatt is.
Összességében szerintem ez a méretű fegyverkezés logikusan nehezen érvelhető.