Persze. A ficko is egy kozismert anti-Izrael haszid (dehogy palesztin
), raadasul ordit rola, hogy kelet-europai, velhetoen askenazi (plane ezzel a nevvel). Rengeteg van ilyen. Viszont abban igazuk van, hogy ok elutasitjak a cionista elmeletet.[BIZTPOL] Közel-kelet
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Ha nem vagy kibékülve az alapértelmezettnek beállított sötét sablonnal, akkor a korábbi ígéretnek megfelelően bármikor átválthatsz a korábbi világos színekkel dolgozó kinézetre.
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Az elmúlt időszak tapasztalatai alapján házirendet kapott a topic.
Ezen témában - a fórumon rendhagyó módon - az oldal üzemeltetője saját álláspontja, meggyőződése alapján nem enged bizonyos véleményeket, mivel meglátása szerint az káros a járványhelyzet enyhítését célzó törekvésekre.
Kérünk, hogy a vírus veszélyességét kétségbe vonó, oltásellenes véleményed más platformon fejtsd ki. Nálunk ennek nincs helye. Az ilyen hozzászólásokért 1 alkalommal figyelmeztetés jár, majd folytatása esetén a témáról letiltás. Arra is kérünk, hogy a fórum más témáiba ne vigyétek át, mert azért viszont már a fórum egészéről letiltás járhat hosszabb-rövidebb időre.
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Az elmúlt időszak tapasztalatai alapján frissített házirendet kapott a topic.
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Ami nem a topik témájába vág vagy akár csak erősebb hangnemben is kerül megfogalmazásra, az valamilyen formában szankcionálva lesz
Minden olyan hozzászólásért ami nem hír, vagy szorosan a konfliktushoz kapcsolódó vélemény / elemzés azért instant 3 nap topic letiltás jár. Aki pedig ezzel trükközne és folytatná másik topicban annak 2 hónap fórum ban a jussa.
), raadasul ordit rola, hogy kelet-europai, velhetoen askenazi (plane ezzel a nevvel). Rengeteg van ilyen. Viszont abban igazuk van, hogy ok elutasitjak a cionista elmeletet.
De kedves népek:
mandiner.hu
Betiltották a karácsonyt Betlehemben - Mandiner
„A Hamász mártírjainak” emlékét sértené a főtéren a karácsonyfa az indoklás szerint.
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A deklisek sem tartják a karácsonyt...sőt...De kedves népek:
Betiltották a karácsonyt Betlehemben - Mandiner
„A Hamász mártírjainak” emlékét sértené a főtéren a karácsonyfa az indoklás szerint.
Meg az, hogy ez az ügy egy kiválló opció, hogy lekerüljön a kés a nyakunkról.
Észrevetted már, hogy az izraeli konfliktus kitörése óta nem basztat az USA?
Teljes mellszélességgel kiálltunk Izrael mellett. Erre a zsidó származású külügyminiszter hazarendelte a korábban kekeckedő, szintén zsidó származású amerikai nagykövetet.
Az ellenzéki sajtó persze dörgölte a tenyerét, hogy megint valamit kitaláltak Orbán ellen. Erre eltelik több mint egy hét, és hatalmas nagy kuss van...
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Ugyanakkor idehaza meg a szuverenitásvédelmi törvény nem akar hirtelen benyújtódni a hangos beharangozó ellenére.
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Azért Castel feltehet egy kérdést saját magának.
Izraelnek milyen szerepe van abban, hogy a palesztinok többsége a Hamaszt választja?
De elvileg nem tiltják meg a még ott élő keresztényeknek.
Pont forditva, a Castel-fele cionista zsidok krealtak az egeszet.
A Hamast koztudomasuan konkretan Netanyahuek hoztak letre es finansziroztak, csak azert, hogy az Arafat-fele Fatah ellen legyen radikalisabb, veresszajubb opcio, akik ugyanugy nem akarnak ket allamot, mint ok, a cionista zsidok.
Castel ezt pontosan jol tudja, csak o is a tipikus sunyi, hazudozo-manipulalo hardcore cionista. Az osszes gatlastalanul hazudik, es ezert van az, hogy rengeteg epeszu zsido mar nem hajlando a cionista propagandat fujni.
Ezugyben egyebkent a legjobb pelda SR, aki hirtelen raebredt, hogy mindaz, amivel a zsido iskolakban tomtek a fejet Izraelrol, az szinte mind komplett hazugsag volt - es nem fel kimondani:
Az IDF leszerelt századosaként, volt katonai hírszerzőként, ex rendőrparancsnokként nyilvánvalóan nem teszel fel ilyen kérdést saját magadnak.
Ps. Csak töredékét soroltam fel milyen beosztásai voltak az embernek…
Ha mar szoba hoztam a buta, gatlastalan-bena allami-cionista propagandagepezetet - mostani The Nation cikk :
Jeet Heer
In a video released by the Israel Defense Forces, a military spokesman holds up a vest with a Hamas insignia that he claims was found at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City. (Israel Defense Forces via AP)
On November 11, an Arabic-language Twitter account maintained by Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted a video purporting to be a selfie by a nurse in al-Shifa hospital in Gaza, a major battlefield in the current conflict that was taken over by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) a few days later. In the startling video, as bombs went off in the background, the tearful nurse warned Gazans to heed the call of the IDF to flee to the south. She also affirmed many IDF talking points, notably that Hamas had taken over the hospital and were stealing morphine and fuel.
The video gained millions of views—but was also widely mocked by many, particularly Arabs, who questioned its authenticity. For one thing, none of the staff in the hospital knew who this supposed nurse was. For another, she spoke in English with an accent that resembled no known Arab lilt.
As Marc Owen Jones of The Daily Beast observed, “Everything about it smacked of high school theater—from the botched accent that sounded like it was straight out of an Israeli soap opera to the perfectly scripted IDF talking points rolling off her tongue.” Jones also noted “the pristine white lab coat looking like it had just come back from the dry cleaner, the audio track of bombs falling that sounded like samples from a late-’80s Casio keyboard, and the contrived stethoscope-waving you‘d expect from an extra on Grey’s Anatomy.”
Within a day, the tweet of the video was deleted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But of course, downloaded versions continue to circulate.
Lying and propaganda are endemic to warfare. Public opinion is always as much a battlefield as actual territory. But in the case of Israel’s ongoing war in Gaza—nominally against Hamas but actually devastating to the civilian population of the besieged territory—propaganda has taken a bizarre turn. This is propaganda that barely makes any effort to convince, instead offering ludicrous arguments in implausible forms. To pay attention to Israeli propaganda in recent weeks is like watching a magic trick done by an inept conjurer who constantly lets the audience see the mirrors and wires that are supposed to create optical illusions.
As Hussein Ibish, a resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute notes, “Israel’s propaganda has always been ham-handed and ridiculous, but during this Gaza war, it has been so pathetically bad and jumped the shark so terribly that it’s going to be very difficult to restore any credibility at all with a great many people in the US and Europe.”
A few examples will suffice. On November 5, Israel bombed a car travelling from South Lebanon to Beirut. The IDF told the press that it “struck a vehicle in Lebanese territory that was identified as a suspicious vehicle containing several terrorists.” In fact, as Human Rights Watch later established, the car was civilian, containing a grandmother, a mother, and three young girls. The mother was wounded; the grandmother and girls were killed. Human Rights Watch concluded that this was an “apparent war crime” and “the attack on a vehicle containing only fleeing civilians shows reckless disregard by the Israeli military for its obligation to distinguish between civilian and military objects and a significant failure to take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths.” Israel has promised an investigation, but based on previous experience that is likely to be slow and result only in a tepid admission of error.
On November 13, the IDF released a video of spokesman Daniel Hagari touring Rantisi hospital. Hagari kept calling attention to banal objects with the suggestion that they were evidence the hospital had housed terrorist cell. At one point he pointed to a baby bottle and said, “It’s a baby bottle. It’s a baby bottle in a basement, above a World Health Organization sign.” Then Hagari pointed to a list on a wall and claimed, “This is a guardians’ list, where every terrorist writes his name and every terrorist has his own shift, guarding the people that were here.”
As those fluent in Arabic pointed out, the supposed “guardians list” was nothing more or less than a calendar with the days of the week on it. The IDF blamed the fiasco on a “translation error.”
On November 15, Middle East Monitor reported, “The Israeli army killed an elderly Palestinian after using him in a propaganda campaign promoting its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza.” The IDF circulated a photo of the 79-year old man, Bashir Hajji, talking to IDF soldiers as proof of their careful shepherding of refugees fleeing the bombardment in the north. This photo was undermined by the fact that an Israeli sniper shot Hajji twice in the back of the head.
Israeli officials have also falsely tried to suggest that images of Palestinian civilians being killed are fabrications and created by “Pallywood” crisis actors (Pallywood being a neologism mixing Palestinian and Hollywood). This claim is not just wrong but deeply conspiratorial—at the level of extremists like Alex Jones, who made similar claims about mass shootings in the United States. It is astonishing for a government to make such claims.
Israel’s Ludicrous Propaganda Wins Over the Only Audience That Counts
Why make an effort to be credible if you’re going to be uncritically echoed by the White House and Western press?Jeet Heer
In a video released by the Israel Defense Forces, a military spokesman holds up a vest with a Hamas insignia that he claims was found at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City. (Israel Defense Forces via AP)
On November 11, an Arabic-language Twitter account maintained by Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted a video purporting to be a selfie by a nurse in al-Shifa hospital in Gaza, a major battlefield in the current conflict that was taken over by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) a few days later. In the startling video, as bombs went off in the background, the tearful nurse warned Gazans to heed the call of the IDF to flee to the south. She also affirmed many IDF talking points, notably that Hamas had taken over the hospital and were stealing morphine and fuel.
The video gained millions of views—but was also widely mocked by many, particularly Arabs, who questioned its authenticity. For one thing, none of the staff in the hospital knew who this supposed nurse was. For another, she spoke in English with an accent that resembled no known Arab lilt.
As Marc Owen Jones of The Daily Beast observed, “Everything about it smacked of high school theater—from the botched accent that sounded like it was straight out of an Israeli soap opera to the perfectly scripted IDF talking points rolling off her tongue.” Jones also noted “the pristine white lab coat looking like it had just come back from the dry cleaner, the audio track of bombs falling that sounded like samples from a late-’80s Casio keyboard, and the contrived stethoscope-waving you‘d expect from an extra on Grey’s Anatomy.”
Within a day, the tweet of the video was deleted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But of course, downloaded versions continue to circulate.
Lying and propaganda are endemic to warfare. Public opinion is always as much a battlefield as actual territory. But in the case of Israel’s ongoing war in Gaza—nominally against Hamas but actually devastating to the civilian population of the besieged territory—propaganda has taken a bizarre turn. This is propaganda that barely makes any effort to convince, instead offering ludicrous arguments in implausible forms. To pay attention to Israeli propaganda in recent weeks is like watching a magic trick done by an inept conjurer who constantly lets the audience see the mirrors and wires that are supposed to create optical illusions.
As Hussein Ibish, a resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute notes, “Israel’s propaganda has always been ham-handed and ridiculous, but during this Gaza war, it has been so pathetically bad and jumped the shark so terribly that it’s going to be very difficult to restore any credibility at all with a great many people in the US and Europe.”
A few examples will suffice. On November 5, Israel bombed a car travelling from South Lebanon to Beirut. The IDF told the press that it “struck a vehicle in Lebanese territory that was identified as a suspicious vehicle containing several terrorists.” In fact, as Human Rights Watch later established, the car was civilian, containing a grandmother, a mother, and three young girls. The mother was wounded; the grandmother and girls were killed. Human Rights Watch concluded that this was an “apparent war crime” and “the attack on a vehicle containing only fleeing civilians shows reckless disregard by the Israeli military for its obligation to distinguish between civilian and military objects and a significant failure to take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths.” Israel has promised an investigation, but based on previous experience that is likely to be slow and result only in a tepid admission of error.
On November 13, the IDF released a video of spokesman Daniel Hagari touring Rantisi hospital. Hagari kept calling attention to banal objects with the suggestion that they were evidence the hospital had housed terrorist cell. At one point he pointed to a baby bottle and said, “It’s a baby bottle. It’s a baby bottle in a basement, above a World Health Organization sign.” Then Hagari pointed to a list on a wall and claimed, “This is a guardians’ list, where every terrorist writes his name and every terrorist has his own shift, guarding the people that were here.”
As those fluent in Arabic pointed out, the supposed “guardians list” was nothing more or less than a calendar with the days of the week on it. The IDF blamed the fiasco on a “translation error.”
On November 15, Middle East Monitor reported, “The Israeli army killed an elderly Palestinian after using him in a propaganda campaign promoting its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza.” The IDF circulated a photo of the 79-year old man, Bashir Hajji, talking to IDF soldiers as proof of their careful shepherding of refugees fleeing the bombardment in the north. This photo was undermined by the fact that an Israeli sniper shot Hajji twice in the back of the head.
Israeli officials have also falsely tried to suggest that images of Palestinian civilians being killed are fabrications and created by “Pallywood” crisis actors (Pallywood being a neologism mixing Palestinian and Hollywood). This claim is not just wrong but deeply conspiratorial—at the level of extremists like Alex Jones, who made similar claims about mass shootings in the United States. It is astonishing for a government to make such claims.
The biggest ongoing propaganda fiasco involves al-Shifa hospital—one that deeply implicates not just the Israeli government but also the Biden administration. On October 13, the IDF released an elaborate drawing purporting to show the “the main headquarters for Hamas’ terrorist activities.” The drawing showed an extensive network of well-lighted tunnels and large rooms that resembled nothing so much as the villain’s lair in a James Bond film.
On Tuesday, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said, “I can confirm for you that we have information that Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, use some hospitals in the Gaza Strip including Al Shifa, and tunnels underneath them, to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages.”
Israel took control of Al Shifa hospital the next day. What they found there was underwhelming. As The Washington Post noted, on Thursday, the IDF said “that searches had uncovered the body of a captive Israeli woman in a house near the hospital, along with weapons. On Wednesday, the IDF released photographs and video of small caches of weapons it said belonged to Hamas.” That video also showed thatthe hospital had a box of dates (a well-loved fruit among Arabs) and two copies of the Quran (a book holy to hundreds of millions). From the Post:
The IDF also suggested that “Hamas knew we were coming” and moved the headquarters—hence the absence of evidence for a robust Hamas presence. This is truly the territory of Donald Rumsfeld during the Iraq War, when he famously remarked that “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” in relation to the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.
Tovabb is van, erdemes az egeszet elolvasni, nagyon lealazza az egesz buta IDF propagandat:
www.thenation.com
On Tuesday, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said, “I can confirm for you that we have information that Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, use some hospitals in the Gaza Strip including Al Shifa, and tunnels underneath them, to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages.”
Israel took control of Al Shifa hospital the next day. What they found there was underwhelming. As The Washington Post noted, on Thursday, the IDF said “that searches had uncovered the body of a captive Israeli woman in a house near the hospital, along with weapons. On Wednesday, the IDF released photographs and video of small caches of weapons it said belonged to Hamas.” That video also showed thatthe hospital had a box of dates (a well-loved fruit among Arabs) and two copies of the Quran (a book holy to hundreds of millions). From the Post:
The IDF also suggested that “Hamas knew we were coming” and moved the headquarters—hence the absence of evidence for a robust Hamas presence. This is truly the territory of Donald Rumsfeld during the Iraq War, when he famously remarked that “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” in relation to the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.
Tovabb is van, erdemes az egeszet elolvasni, nagyon lealazza az egesz buta IDF propagandat:
Israel’s Ludicrous Propaganda Wins Over the Only Audience That Counts
Why make an effort to be credible if you’re going to be uncritically echoed by the White House and Western press?
www.thenation.com
Ha tényleg odaviszi, nem fogják tárgyalni az ügyet, ha meg tárgyalják akkor bizonyíték hiányában vagy másra hivatkozva senkit nem fognak izraeli oldalról elítélni. Ha meg mégis, akkor nem fogják végrehajtani. Hága nem arra van, hogy igazságot szolgáltasson, az csak egy újabb eszköz a kettős mérce tovább erősítésére.
Tudja ezt mindenki, szerintem ő is. Gondolom a jegyzőkönyv kedvéért teszi.
"Izrael és a Hamász az Egyesült Államok közvetítésével előzetes tűzszüneti megállapodást kötött a Gázai övezetben – állítja a Washinton Post. A lap szerint 5 napos szünetet tartanának a harcokban, és a palesztin terrorszervezet ezért cserébe több tucatnyi túszt engedne szabadon."
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Washington Post: Előzetes tűzszüneti megállapodást köthetett Izrael és a Hamász az Egyesült Államok közvetítésével
Izrael és a Hamász az Egyesült Államok közvetítésével előzetes tűzszüneti megállapodást kötött a Gázai övezetben – állítja a Washinton Post. A lap szerint 5 napos szünetet tartanának a harcokban,...
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Azért az igen meglepő lenne, ha tartanák a karácsonyt...
De szó sincs tiltásról, karácsonykor sokfelé van karácsonyi dekoráció, általában mindenfelé ömlesztve van minden vallási jelkép. Legfeljebb a haszid elmebetegek nem tűrnek meg maguk mellett ilyesmit, de ilyen szélsőséges söpredék mindenhol van, nálunk is.
Haifa:
Egyaltalan nem biztos - ime, mit jelent a hardcore cionizmus, amikor gatlastalanul tombol:
Tömegsírral a küszöbén vált „halálzónává” Gáza legnagyobb kórháza
Sokkoló látvány fogadta az ENSZ és a WHO szakértői csoportját.
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Idézek a cikkből:Egyaltalan nem biztos - ime, mit jelent a hardcore cionizmus, amikor gatlastalanul tombol:
Tömegsírral a küszöbén vált „halálzónává” Gáza legnagyobb kórháza
Sokkoló látvány fogadta az ENSZ és a WHO szakértői csoportját.
Szerinted mi indokolja még ezen betegek jelenlétét? Miközben Rafah-ból szállítják át a betegeket Egyiptomba.
Ki a felelős azért, hogy a többszöri több órás tűzszünet és beküldött mentők ellenére még mindig "antibiotikum és rossz higiéniai körülmények" között tartják ezeket a betegeket"?