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Meghalt Anatolij Gerascsenko, a Moszkvai Repülési Intézet korábbi rektora. Az egyetem közleménye szerint Gerascsenko egy „baleset következtében” vesztette életét. Az orosz Izvesztyija nevű újság azt is tudni véli, hogy Gerascsenko „jelentős magasságból esett le” és „több emeletnyit zuhant” az egyetem egyik lépcsőházában.
Forrás: https://iz.ru/1398727/2022-09-21/byvshii-rektor-mai-anatolii-gerashchenko-pogib-v-stenakh-instituta
Ez ott mar termeszetes halalnak szamit.
 
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Gyarmati az egyik legnagyobb ruszofób szagértő. Nem tud objektív elemzést letenni az asztalra.

Elhiszem, hogy akiben túlteng az orosz imádat, az ezt írja. Én meg azt, amit olvastál...tőlem...fentebb...erről a kérdésről. Egyébként ez az interjú, szerintem is rendben van...

Gyarmati egy egy full komcsi kulugyer volt, jol emlekszem ra, abbol lett - szokas szerint - atlantista, es fenyes karriert csinalt kozben. Kb ugyanilyen volt az Erdos Andres es meg sorolhatnam a kadari diktatura mosolygos arcat simulekonyan Nyugatra megjelenito parazitakat. (Es persze mind ugyanabbol 'kivaltsagos' kisebbsegbol szarmaznak.)

Ezeket a gumigerincu komcsitojasbol szuletett atlantistakat nem tartom sokra, mindegy, mennyire jol mondjak fel a lozungokat - szemben velunk, antikommunistakkal, ok nem meggyozodes alapjan tamogatjak a nyugati szovetsegi rendszert, hanem mert ez a praktikus megelhetesi forma eppen.
 

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Gyarmati egy egy full komcsi kulugyer volt, jol emlekszem ra, abbol lett - szokas szerint - atlantista, es fenyes karriert csinalt kozben. Kb ugyanilyen volt az Erdos Andres es meg sorolhatnam a kadari diktatura mosolygos arcat simulekonyan Nyugatra megjelenito parazitakat. (Es persze mind ugyanabbol 'kivaltsagos' kisebbsegbol szarmaznak.)

Ezeket a gumigerincu komcsitojasbol szuletett atlantistakat nem tartom sokra, mindegy, mennyire jol mondjak fel a lozungokat - szemben velunk, antikommunistakkal, ok nem meggyozodes alapjan tamogatjak a nyugati szovetsegi rendszert, hanem mert ez a praktikus megelhetesi forma eppen.
Sőt, nyíltan fel is vállalta mikor leatlantistáztam(azok fizetik) a @nyugger által említett oldalon. :)
 

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Főleg a néni, meg a nagypapa! Ez konkrétan fake news. (Még az is inkább valósabb lenne, ha azt írnád, hogy ezek konkrétan a sorozásra mennek, mint menekülnek. Konkrétan ukrán bullshit az egész. Mondjuk, a Kijev Szellemét is tolták itt ezerrel ...)

Ezeknek drukkolsz mester, még ha tudat alatt is!
 

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Orosz kínai hadgyakorlatól képek

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Főleg a néni, meg a nagypapa! Ez konkrétan fake news. (Még az is inkább valósabb lenne, ha azt írnád, hogy ezek konkrétan a sorozásra mennek, mint menekülnek. Konkrétan ukrán bullshit az egész. Mondjuk, a Kijev Szellemét is tolták itt ezerrel ...)

Jajaja, hat persze, minden fake news, ami nem passzol az agymosott, teljesen rohejes orosz propagandahoz. :cool:

Ezeknek drukkolsz mester, még ha tudat alatt is!

Hat, akkor a sajat kepleted szerint te meg a vergozos, azsiai oroszoknak, akik csak es kizarolag borzaszto dolgokat tettek Magyarorszaggal - raadasul tudatosan...
 

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Jajaja, hat persze, minden fake news, ami nem passzol az agymosott, teljesen rohejes orosz propagandahoz. :cool:



Hat, akkor a sajat kepleted szerint te meg a vergozos, azsiai oroszoknak, akik csak es kizarolag borzaszto dolgokat tettek Magyarorszaggal - raadasul tudatosan...
a csakot és a kizárólagot hagyd el.....mert ha így gondolod 10000000000000 km arrébbról akkor nem kamm vagy hanem egy veszett nagy kamu.Minden másban igazad van...Lélegzetvétel....végig gondolás....kellő alázat.....konklúzió... deze75 nem savaz, hanem rávilágít ,hogy ne gondolkozz végletekben (HACSAK nem vagy egy Sith nagyúr!... :) :) :) :) :)
 
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A linken a cikkben rengeteg irat lathato, en csak probaltam a lenyegesebbeket linkelni... verfagyaszto az egesz, mi megy az oroszoknal.
Siman rosszabb es aggresszivabb, mint a 80-as evek kadari diktaturaja.

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Inside Russia’s Vast Surveillance State: ‘They Are Watching’


A cache of nearly 160,000 files from Russia’s powerful internet regulator provides a rare glimpse inside Vladimir V. Putin’s digital crackdown.
Paul Mozur, Adam Satariano, Aaron Krolik, Aliza Aufrichtig Sept. 22, 2022
19 - 24 minutes


Four days into the war in Ukraine, Russia’s expansive surveillance and censorship apparatus was already hard at work.

Roughly 800 miles east of Moscow, authorities in the Republic of Bashkortostan, one of Russia’s 85 regions, were busy tabulating the mood of comments in social media messages. They marked down YouTube posts that they said criticized the Russian government. They noted the reaction to a local protest.

Then they compiled their findings. One report about the “destabilization of Russian society” pointed to an editorial from a news site deemed “oppositional” to the government that said President Vladimir V. Putin was pursuing his own self-interest by invading Ukraine. A dossier elsewhere on file detailed who owned the site and where they lived.

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Another Feb. 28 dispatch, titled “Presence of Protest Moods,” warned that some had expressed support for demonstrators and “spoke about the need to stop the war.”

The report was among nearly 160,000 records from the Bashkortostan office of Russia’s powerful internet regulator, Roskomnadzor.

Together the documents detail the inner workings of a critical facet of Mr. Putin’s surveillance and censorship system, which his government uses to find and track opponents, squash dissent and suppress independent information even in the country’s furthest reaches.

The leak of the agency’s documents “is just like a small keyhole look into the actual scale of the censorship and internet surveillance in Russia,” said Leonid Volkov, who is named in the records and is the chief of staff for the jailed opposition leader Aleksei A. Navalny.

“It’s much bigger,” he said.

Roskomnadzor’s activities have catapulted Russia, along with authoritarian countries like China and Iran, to the forefront of nations that aggressively use technology as a tool of repression. Since the agency was established in 2008, Mr. Putin has turned it into an essential lever to tighten his grip on power as he has transformed Russia into an even more authoritarian state.

The internet regulator is part of a larger tech apparatus that Mr. Putin has built over the years, which also includes a domestic spying system that intercepts phone calls and internet traffic, online disinformation campaigns and the hacking of other nations’ government systems.

The agency’s role in this digital dragnet is more extensive than previously known, according to the records. It has morphed over the years from a sleepy telecom regulator into a full-blown intelligence agency, closely monitoring websites, social media and news outlets, and labeling them as “pro-government,” “anti-government” or “apolitical.”

Roskomnadzor has also worked to unmask and surveil people behind anti-government accounts and provided detailed information on critics’ online activities to security agencies, according to the documents. That has supplemented real-world actions, with those surveilled coming under attack for speaking out online. Some have then been arrested by the police and held for months. Others have fled Russia for fear of prosecution.

The files reveal a particular obsession with Mr. Navalny and show what happens when the weight of Russia’s security state is placed on one target.

The system is built to control outbursts like the one this week, when protesters across Russia rallied against a new policy that would press roughly 300,000 people into military service for the war in Ukraine. At least 1,200 people have already been detained for demonstrating.

More than 700 gigabytes of records from Roskomnadzor’s Bashkortostan branch were made publicly available online in March by DDoSecrets, a group that publishes hacked documents.

The New York Times built software and a search tool to analyze the Russian-language documents, spreadsheets, videos and government presentations. Five individuals directly targeted by Roskomnadzor in the files were interviewed, along with lawyers, activists and companies who have battled the agency and other experts on Russian surveillance and censorship.

Roskomnadzor did not respond to requests for comment.

“This is part of authoritarianism,” said Abbas Gallyamov, a former top government official in Bashkortostan who Roskomnadzor scrutinized because of his criticism of Mr. Putin. “They are watching.”

Putin’s Eyes on the Internet

Roskomnadzor (pronounced Ros-com-nod-zor) was started in 2008 as a bureaucratic backwater with a few dozen employees who regulated radio signals, telecom and postal delivery. Its role expanded as Kremlin concerns grew about the internet, which was under less state control than television and radio, leading to more activity from independent and opposition media.

After social media helped facilitate mass protests during the 2010 Arab Spring and in Moscow starting in 2011, Russian authorities had Roskomnadzor exert more control, said Andrei Soldatov, the co-author of a book on Russian internet censorship and surveillance.

From its headquarters in Moscow, the agency squeezed companies that provided internet access. Starting in 2012, the year Mr. Putin retook the presidency, Roskomnadzor built a blacklist of websites that the companies were required to block. That list, which grows constantly, now includes more than 1.2 million banned URLs, including local political news websites, social media profile pages, pornography and gambling platforms, according to Roskomsvoboda, a civil society group tracking the blocks.

Over the last decade, the agency also fined and penalized Google, Facebook, Twitter and Telegram to force them to remove what authorities deemed to be illicit content. In 2016, LinkedIn was shut down in Russia after being sanctioned for not storing data on Russian users in the country’s data centers.

By 2019, authorities wanted internet control to go further. Roskomnadzor ordered new censorship technology, known as a “technical means for countering threats,” installed in telecom networks around the country, including Bashkortostan, according to the documents. The agency then blocked and slowed down websites from Moscow.

Officials demanded that local internet services confirm that the censorship systems had been installed, according to the documents. Schematics showed where the censorship boxes should be placed in the network. Roskomnadzor workers visited sites to be sure the equipment was installed correctly and sent reports on the efficacy of the technology.

One early target of the blocking system was Twitter. In 2021, authorities throttled access to the social media service to a crawl. Since the invasion of Ukraine this year, Roskomnadzor has also blocked Facebook, Instagram and other websites, as well as many virtual private networks, or VPNs, which are used to bypass internet controls.

In 2020, Andrei Lipov, a government technocrat who supports a Russian internet that is more closed off from the West, took charge of Roskomnadzor. Under his guidance, the agency has operated even more like an intelligence service.

Just in Bashkortostan, an oil-rich region with about 4 million residents, Roskomnadzor tracked the online activities of hundreds of people and organizations. It gathered information about government critics and identified shifting political opinions on social media. It compiled dossiers on independent media outlets and online influencers who shared information unfavorable to the government that might gain traction with the Russian public.

"Roskomnadzor was never part of this game before of providing political intelligence,” said Mr. Soldatov, a fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis, a pro-democracy think tank. “They’re getting more and more ambitious.”
 
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Vladimir Voronin, a lawyer who has represented activists and media groups targeted by Roskomnadzor, said the agency also became closer to the Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., the domestic intelligence agency once led by Mr. Putin. The F.S.B. operates a spy system, called the System for Operative Investigative Activities, which is used to monitor phone calls and internet traffic in Russia.

Roskomnadzor helps the F.S.B. watch opponents and identify new threats to Mr. Putin, Mr. Voronin said. “Roskomnadzor is more of a police agency and not only monitors, but persecutes oppositionists, activists and the media,” he said.

Unlike more technologically savvy counterparts in China, where internet surveillance is more automated, much of the work of Russian censors is done manually, the documents show. But what Russia lacks in sophistication it has made up for in determination.

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In Bashkortostan, documents like this six-page report on the regional “information space” from December 2021 summarized criticism of Mr. Putin from pundits and bloggers. In the report, officials measured sentiment with a chart showing events that increased public disapproval, such as videos involving opposition activists and news of a possible invasion of Ukraine.

At times, the assessments sound almost like weather forecasts. “Calm with separate minor pockets of tension,” one Roskomnadzor report said, summarizing public sentiment after the arrest of a local activist.

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Social media was viewed by the agency as a form of “soft power” that could “influence the opinion of the masses,” according to one document.

Roskomnadzor workers watched for “destabilizing subjects” like opposition groups and “antimilitarism,” but also social issues such as drug legalization and “sexual freedoms,” according to some of the documents. Meduza, an independent Russian-language news organization, earlier reported on these specific documents.

Roskomnadzor also tracked local state-run media and political leaders, so that Mr. Putin could keep an eye on both enemies and allies, said Mr. Gallyamov, who is now a political commentator living outside Russia.

In some cases, censors recorded their screens showing detail down to the movements of their computer mouse as they watched over the internet. They monitored overtly political videos and, at other times, focused on less obviously worrisome content, like this viral song by the young rapper KEML. Bashkortostan is known as a hub for rap in Russia.

Roskomnadzor also helped Mr. Putin centralize power far from Moscow. The regional office in Bashkortostan only shared a fraction of its work with the local government, according to one document. Many reports were instead sent straight to the F.S.B. and other central agencies.

The scrutiny took a toll on surveillance targets. ProUfu.ru, a local news site in Bashkortostan that wrote critically about the government, said authorities pressured businesses to stop advertising with it. In the records, censors flagged ProUfu.ru for the critical Ukraine editorial written about Mr. Putin in February. The group was the subject of a regularly updated dossier about its coverage, ownership and top editor.

“Businessmen are threatened with closure for enterprises if they dare to meet us halfway,” the group, which now goes by Prufy, said on its website. “Our resources are depleted.” Prufy declined to comment.
 
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Hunting Navalny​


Mr. Navalny, the imprisoned leader of Russia’s largest opposition movement, overshadows Mr. Putin’s other domestic opponents. In Roskomnadzor’s Bashkortostan office, no mention of Mr. Navalny was too small to escape notice.

Workers flagged articles and social media comments about Mr. Navalny and websites where his name appeared in the margins as a related link. In monthly reports, they tallied online criticism of the government day-by-day, often alongside major news developments related to Mr. Navalny.

After ProUfu.ru published a video of an interview with Mr. Navalny in 2020, the site was charged with an administrative violation for posting information about “criminally punishable acts,” according to a record of the infraction included in the files.

The agency worked with different branches of the Russian security apparatus to go after not just Mr. Navalny, but his supporters. In Bashkortostan, the main target was Lilia Chanysheva, a 40-year-old lawyer.

Ms. Chanysheva, who has been a supporter of Mr. Navalny for at least a decade, moved in 2013 from Moscow to Ufa, Bashkortostan’s largest city and where her parents lived. In 2017, she traded a well-paying auditing job with the international consulting firm Deloitte to start a regional office for Mr. Navalny.

She understood that if she did not do it, no one would,” said Maksim Kurnikov, the former editor of a regional branch of the radio station Echo of Moscow, who got to know Ms. Chanysheva in Ufa.

Ms. Chanysheva planned protests and linked groups who disagreed not just with Mr. Putin’s rule, but also were motivated by local issues like government corruption and environmental exploitation in the mineral-rich Bashkortostan region. She was known for volunteering time to provide legal aid to anyone in need, friends and colleagues said.

Authorities watched her closely, according to the documents. In 2017, Roskomnadzor officials sent a letter to the F.S.B. and other branches of the national security apparatus, warning that Mr. Navalny’s team was uniting “various small oppositional regional communities into a ‘united front.’”

Ms. Chanysheva faced random searches and police arrests. During a presidential campaign by Mr. Navalny ahead of elections in 2018, she spent more than 45 days in jail for holding unauthorized protests and other offenses, colleagues said. With authorities fond of detaining leaders well before organized protests, she made a habit of disappearing and then materializing at the rallies, they said.

“It made them look very stupid,” said Mr. Volkov, Mr. Navalny’s chief of staff, who hired Ms. Chanysheva.

Authorities included Ms. Chanysheva in regular reports about the activity of opposition figures who appeared in local and social media, including a 2020 meeting with activists who fought a real-estate development that would involve cutting down a forest.

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Roskomnadzor confronted her with minor infractions, including violations of data-protection rules, according to the records. She topped a list on another document that suggested individuals for expanded monitoring and surveillance.

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On a spreadsheet of “leaders of opinion” in Bashkortostan, Roskomnadzor officials highlighted Ms. Chanysheva’s name in dark red along with links to her social media accounts and follower totals.

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In October 2020, she was placed on a list of the region’s “destabilizing sources,” and was cited for “criticizing Russian federal and regional government.”

In April 2021, Mr. Navalny’s organizations were forced to disband after the Kremlin listed them as illegal extremist groups. Fearful of being imprisoned, many top operatives left Russia. Ms. Chanysheva stayed. She was arrested on charges of extremism in November 2021.

Roskomnadzor’s censors noted her arrest “caused a resonance both among activists and users on social networks,” according to a record of the incident. They were not overly concerned. At the top of the report, they wrote: “Protest activity was at a relatively low level.”

Ms. Chanysheva, who is being held at a detention center in Moscow, could not be reached for comment. Mr. Voronin, her lawyer, said she spends her time writing letters and sorting trash from recycling. She faces a decade in prison.
 
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The Lone Protester​


In the first weeks of the war on Ukraine, Roskomnadzor censors ramped up, according to the documents. They focused not just on the war but its side effects, including the public response to a domestic crackdown on dissent and grumblings about the invasion’s effect on the rising cost of goods.

On Feb. 27, agency officials monitored the reaction to reports that a family from Ufa — including young children — was detained for protesting the war. Another report flagged an item that was spreading quickly online that described how the F.S.B. brutally beat and electrocuted a protester.

“Some users negatively assessed the actions of law enforcement agencies,” they wrote, noting 200,000 users had viewed the news on the messaging app Telegram.

The files also showed how office life went on as normal for the censors, who are part of the security-state middle class that Mr. Putin has built over the past 20 years to consolidate power. The employees marked a national holiday celebrating women and shared memes. In a jocular video passed around the office, they joked about accidentally blocking the Kremlin website and bribing judges with alcohol and chocolate.

In March, the censors highlighted an Instagram post from a protest in Bashkortostan. The demonstrator — a lone individual named Laysan Sultangareyeva — stood in Tuymazy, an industrial town west of the regional capital, to decry the invasion of Ukraine.

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The post showed Ms. Sultangareyeva holding a sign that read “No to Putin, No to War.” Comments were filled with emojis cheering her on.

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At the protest, police arrested the 24-year-old political activist and kept her in jail overnight. Roskomnadzor censors described her arrest with terse and matter-of-fact language: “Took place, the protester was detained.”

In an interview, Ms. Sultangareyeva said that police intimidated her, asked about her support for Mr. Navalny and made her take a drug test.

Ms. Sultangareyeva, whose Instagram profile once said “making delicious coffee and trying to stay out of jail,” protested twice more in April. She was arrested again. Online posts were used as evidence against her, as were photos shared in a local antiwar Telegram channel. She was fined 68,000 rubles or about $1,100.

“The fact that Roskomnadzor monitors social networks I did not know, but I guessed that they would not leave me without attention,” she said. She recently noticed police-affiliated accounts looking at her Instagram Stories and blocked them.

‘I Thought I Knew What Censorship Was’​


Roskomnadzor’s tightening grip has manifested itself in the form of outright censorship.

Three days after DOXA, a media organization run by university students and recent graduates, posted a video calling on students to speak out against Mr. Putin in January 2021, a letter arrived from the agency.

It said the video had been added to a registry of “prohibited information” that “encouraged minors to participate in activities that are dangerous to their health and lives.” Roskomnadzor ordered DOXA to take the video down, said Ilia Sagitov, a reporter for the site who has left Russia.

DOXA complied but then sued Roskomnadzor over the takedown. Mr. Sagitov said the site had been careful not to encourage protest directly in the video and argued there was nothing illegal in it.

At 6 a.m. on April 14, 2021, security forces struck back. In a coordinated raid, Russian police broke into the website’s offices and the apartments of four of its editors. They placed the editors under house arrest and forbade them from accessing the internet.

“We believe that they were tracking everything we were doing back then and desperately trying to find anything to oppress us in any way,” Mr. Sagitov said. “So they finally got it — our video — and immediately started to fabricate this case.”

Still, the site was not blocked and reporters continued publishing articles. Then came the war in Ukraine.

In February, DOXA published a guide to “antiwar disputes in the family and work,” which included 17 answers to the most common arguments justifying the war.

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Akin to stories in the United States that prepare people for contentious Thanksgiving dinner discussions, or how to speak to a climate change denier, the article went viral. An illustration from the piece showed a young person debating the war with an older man.

This time, Roskomnadzor swiftly blocked each of DOXA’s three different websites. The sites remain down. Some staff have fled the country while others left the organization fearing for their safety. Roskomnadzor has taken a similar tack elsewhere, blocking more heavily and widely than before, according to those who have been targeted.

“There’s no new level of competence, just a new bigger scale of repression — both digital and real-world,” Mr. Sagitov said. “I thought I knew what censorship was, but it turned out I didn’t. Well, now I know.”
 
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a csakot és a kizárólagot hagyd el.....mert ha így gondolod 10000000000000 km arrébbról akkor nem kamm vagy hanem egy veszett nagy kamu.Minden másban igazad van...Lélegzetvétel....végig gondolás....kellő alázat.....konklúzió... deze75 nem savaz, hanem rávilágít ,hogy ne gondolkozz végletekben (HACSAK nem vagy egy Sith nagyúr!... :) :) :) :) :)
Miert, milyen pozitiv dolgot tettek Magyarorszaggal? En egyetlenegyre sem emlekszem.
 
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Most nem azért, de ez egy kontextus nélküli kép. Készülhetett volna akár 2 hete, de akár 2 éve is.
Illetve nem tudjuk, hova utaznak. Nem tűnnek kétségbeesettnek…
Ja, és ha tényleg ennyien próbalnának menekülni a szolgálat elől, nem gondoljuk, hogy a katonai rendészet (meg a rendőrség) ott strázsálna már a reptereken??
Hülyeség.
 

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egy orosz oldalon olvastam, hogy nincsenek csapagyak a tehervagonokba.
oroszoknal osszeszerelo uzem van (VOLT ) csak.
nyilvan vannak vagonok, nyilvan meg futnak akar evekig.
de uj tehervagonokat nem tudnak gyartani.

nem bonyolult dolog ez a csapagy, de nem is olyan egyszeru mint egy szog.
oroszok jelenleg nem tudjak gyartani, import meg nincs.

az oroszok nem onellatoak energiat, elelmiszert kiveve.

Katasztrofaba menetelnek, csak aki tudja meg erti ezt az most megy at a szomszedba, menekultkent.

a SZU csak lendlease-el tudott gyozni, kellett az a parezer mozdony, repulo, minden szovjet katona bakancsa es elelme az amiktol, hogy leverjek a nemeteket.

ez a lend lease most ukrajnaba megy.

de rendben legyozik az oroszok az ukranokat ? Utana van elkepzeles hogy mi lesz ?

jonnek majd a kepek a deportalt varoslakokrol, lerombolt hazakrol meg tobb ukran menekult fog jonni.
ami egy orosz lesz ukrajnaban addig oroszorszag a nyugaton paria marad.

egyebkent ha nagyon sok burjat, kazak, csecsen meg tatar fog meghalni, akkor elobb utobb felmerul a kerdes, hogy miert jo nekik orosznak lenni.

tenyleg szeteshet oroszorszag, Putyin lesz 2. Miklos car akit felkoncol majd a sajat nepe ?

Még Cseauseszku Romániájban is gyártottak csapagyakat Brassóban. Nem is rossz minőségben. Aztán jössz te, hogy az orosz nem tud csapágyat gyártani, amikor olyan rakétákat gyárt önerőből, amik ellen az amcsik nem tudnának védekezni, na meg a rakéta hajtóművet is orosztól veszi az USA. Nem beszélve az önálló repülőgépgyártási képességükről. Tudod ez tiszta faék technológia, szemben egy csapágy legyártásával. Nem tudom hol, melyik nyugati propaganda lapban olvastad ezt a nagy marhaságot, de hogy kamu az egész az biztos. Kell a remény az atlantista uralmat nyögő népeknek.

Áthoztam ide.
Arról az országról beszélünk, amely továbbra is jól működő, embereket az ‘50es évek óts folyamatosan az űrbe juttató űrprogrammal bír (Egyébként ők hozták össze az ISS kb 60%-át is).
Az iparuk teljesen saját fejlesztésű és gyártású repülőgépeket (utasszállítók, vadászok, bombázók, stb), nehézgépeket (civil és katonai) és autókat produkál.
Világelső a hiperszonikus armadájuk.

Ádika, szerinted ez az ország nem tud csapágyakat gyártani?
 

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a csakot és a kizárólagot hagyd el.....mert ha így gondolod 10000000000000 km arrébbról akkor nem kamm vagy hanem egy veszett nagy kamu.Minden másban igazad van...Lélegzetvétel....végig gondolás....kellő alázat.....konklúzió... deze75 nem savaz, hanem rávilágít ,hogy ne gondolkozz végletekben (HACSAK nem vagy egy Sith nagyúr!... :) :) :) :) :)
Hagyjad, traumatizálták.
 
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