MIM-104 Patriot (USA)

[Szittya]

Rbs 97 et direkt nem irtam mert kitudja meddig lessz meg szolgalatba a hawk bar modernizaltak de a hirek szerint hamarosan tartalekba kerul... /azert varom hogy a saab bofors mit alkot mert 100 hogy sved gyartmany lessz az utod./

 

[molnibalage]

Én is próbáltam magam elé képzelni...
Keresőradarnak nem lehet mást használni nekik?... meglévőt,...

Igen. Halozatosan a EW mehet.

A megfogalmazás pedig pontos és precíz.
Komplexumonként csak 3db LS-t vesznek.

Csak egy tipp, de lehet hogy ezeket csak a PAC-3-as rakétáknak, és mondjuk a Németektől kapnak ócsó használt LS-t?

Erre en is gondoltam, csakhat a hírben ez nincs. Meg ettol nem lesz olcsóbb, mert ez is plusz koltseg elem.

 

[Terminator]

"The Netherlands has requested Recapitalization (RECAP) of four (4) Netherlands Patriot Fire Units. RECAP includes Radar Sets (RS), Radar Digital Processors (RDP), Engagement Control Stations (ECS), Information and Coordination Central (ICC), Modem Man Stations (MMS), Launching Stations, and Post Deployment Build (PDB)-8 upgrades along with parts, tools, technical and engineering assistance, support services, testing, and other related elements of logistics and program support, which will produce fire units at the Configuration 3+ capability. The total estimated program cost is $105 million."

 

[Terminator]

Az USA kivonja Patriot egységeit a Közel-Kelet három országából

 

[Terminator]

Raytheon awarded production contract for Poland's Patriot

http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2018-09-26-Raytheon-awarded-production-contract-for-Polands-Patriot

The Pentagon has give a $1.5 billion Foreign Military Sales to Raytheon to supply four Patriot fire units to Poland.

 

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Izraeli Patriot osztályok díszlokációja, a SENTINEL-1 C-frekijű (5,4GHz) SAR műhold zavarészlelése alapján...
https://fas.org/blogs/security/2018...i-patriot-batteries-using-radar-interference/


SENTINEL-1 SAR képe Izraelről

 

[Terminator]

WASHINGTON, December 18, 2018

"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Turkey of eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles and related equipment for an estimated cost of $3.5 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

Turkey has requested the possible sale of four (4) AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four (4) Engagement Control Stations, ten (10) Antenna Mast Groups (AMGs), twenty (20) M903 Launching Stations, eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles with canisters, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles, and five (5) Electrical Power Plant (EPP) III. Also included with this request are communications equipment, tools and test equipment, range and test programs, support equipment, prime movers, generators, publications and technical documentation, training equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training, Technical Assistance Field Team (TAFT), U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, Systems Integration and Checkout (SICO), field office support, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $3.5 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of a key NATO Ally on the front lines of the fight against terrorism. Turkey is a member of and critical enabling platform for the Defeat-ISIS campaign and continues to be an essential element of our National Security Strategy and National Defense Strategy efforts to compete against great powers in both Europe and the Middle East. The TPY-2 radar site that Turkey hosts is important to the European Phased Adaptive Approach and to efforts to protect Allies and partners against growing Iranian ballistic missile threats. This sale is consistent with U.S. initiatives to provide key allies with modern systems capable of being networked to defend against regional instability. The proposed sale will enhance Turkey’s interoperability with the United States and NATO, making it a more valuable partner in an increasingly important area of the world.

Turkey will use Patriot to improve its missile defense capability, defend its territorial integrity, and deter regional threats. The proposed sale will increase the defensive capabilities of the Turkey military to guard against hostile aggression and shield NATO Allies who might train and operate within Turkey's borders. Turkey should have no difficulty absorbing this system into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be Raytheon Corporation in Andover, Massachusetts, and Lockheed-Martin in Dallas, Texas. The purchaser requested offsets. At this time offset agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and contractors.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately 25 U.S. Government and 40 contractor representatives to travel to Turkey for an extended period for equipment de-processing/fielding, system checkout, training, and technical and logistics support.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded."

 

[luperator]

WASHINGTON, December 18, 2018

"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Turkey of eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles and related equipment for an estimated cost of $3.5 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

Turkey has requested the possible sale of four (4) AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four (4) Engagement Control Stations, ten (10) Antenna Mast Groups (AMGs), twenty (20) M903 Launching Stations, eighty (80) Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missiles (GEM-T) missiles with canisters, sixty (60) PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) missiles, and five (5) Electrical Power Plant (EPP) III. Also included with this request are communications equipment, tools and test equipment, range and test programs, support equipment, prime movers, generators, publications and technical documentation, training equipment, spare and repair parts, personnel training, Technical Assistance Field Team (TAFT), U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, Systems Integration and Checkout (SICO), field office support, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $3.5 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of a key NATO Ally on the front lines of the fight against terrorism. Turkey is a member of and critical enabling platform for the Defeat-ISIS campaign and continues to be an essential element of our National Security Strategy and National Defense Strategy efforts to compete against great powers in both Europe and the Middle East. The TPY-2 radar site that Turkey hosts is important to the European Phased Adaptive Approach and to efforts to protect Allies and partners against growing Iranian ballistic missile threats. This sale is consistent with U.S. initiatives to provide key allies with modern systems capable of being networked to defend against regional instability. The proposed sale will enhance Turkey’s interoperability with the United States and NATO, making it a more valuable partner in an increasingly important area of the world.

Turkey will use Patriot to improve its missile defense capability, defend its territorial integrity, and deter regional threats. The proposed sale will increase the defensive capabilities of the Turkey military to guard against hostile aggression and shield NATO Allies who might train and operate within Turkey's borders. Turkey should have no difficulty absorbing this system into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be Raytheon Corporation in Andover, Massachusetts, and Lockheed-Martin in Dallas, Texas. The purchaser requested offsets. At this time offset agreements are undetermined and will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and contractors.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately 25 U.S. Government and 40 contractor representatives to travel to Turkey for an extended period for equipment de-processing/fielding, system checkout, training, and technical and logistics support.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded."

Épp most akartam betenni
https://www.armyrecognition.com/dec...ale_of_patriot_missile_systems_to_turkey.html

 

[zsolti]

Gondolom a kurdok like-olják az üzletet . Innentől kezdve akármennyi kurdot lőnek majd tömegsírba, egy darabig akár csak SZA, Törökország is a "legkiválóbb szövetséges" kategória lesz.

Nincs itt új a nap alatt, business as usual...

 

[ghostrider]

Patriot PAC-2 indítók Lengyelországban

 

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Patriot cikk

 

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Nem tért ki a tűzívre, és a repeszfelhő alakjára.
Valami izraeli rakétát (tán pont ezt) épp ezért kritizálták.

 

[ghostrider]

Patriot - Szaud-Arábia

 

[Törölt tag]

Valaki mostanában $20-30m légvédelmi rakétákat emlegetett...
Akkor azt mondtam hogy ez marhaság, ilyen nem létezik. Tévedtem.
Rá kellett jönnöm hogy mégis..

Az USA a Törököknek kínálgatja a Patriotot.
A következő az ajánlatuk $3.5 milliárdért:
80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced rakéta
60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement rakéta
4 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets,
4 Engagement Control Stations,
10 Antenna Mast Groups,
20 M903 Launching Stations,
5 Electrical Power Plant III systems.
Tényleg bőven $20m fölött van egy roketta ára...

 

[zsolti]

Valaki mostanában $20-30m légvédelmi rakétákat emlegetett...
Akkor azt mondtam hogy ez marhaság, ilyen nem létezik. Tévedtem.
Rá kellett jönnöm hogy mégis..

Az USA a Törököknek kínálgatja a Patriotot.
A következő az ajánlatuk $3.5 milliárdért:
80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced rakéta
60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement rakéta
4 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets,
4 Engagement Control Stations,
10 Antenna Mast Groups,
20 M903 Launching Stations,
5 Electrical Power Plant III systems.
Tényleg bőven $20m fölött van egy roketta ára...

Ha a bánatpénzt/vezeklést hogy kikacsintottak egy időre a nyájból kiveszed? Ha azt is levonod hogy szabad kezet kapnak a kurd kérdésben? Így már nem is olyan drága az nekik!

 

[blogen]

Valaki mostanában $20-30m légvédelmi rakétákat emlegetett...
Akkor azt mondtam hogy ez marhaság, ilyen nem létezik. Tévedtem.
Rá kellett jönnöm hogy mégis..

Az USA a Törököknek kínálgatja a Patriotot.
A következő az ajánlatuk $3.5 milliárdért:
80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced rakéta
60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement rakéta
4 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets,
4 Engagement Control Stations,
10 Antenna Mast Groups,
20 M903 Launching Stations,
5 Electrical Power Plant III systems.
Tényleg bőven $20m fölött van egy roketta ára...

Nekünk ennek a negyede kellene, egy üteg, szal egy milliárd dezső lenne a plafonja. Az úgy 250 milliárd forint. Nagyon luxi, a picsába, hogy nem vehetünk oroszt vagy kínait a jelen helyzetben ebből a kategóriából!

 

[zsolti]

Nekünk ennek a negyede kellene, egy üteg, szal egy milliárd dezső lenne a plafonja. Az úgy 250 milliárd forint. Nagyon luxi, a picsába, hogy nem vehetünk oroszt vagy kínait a jelen helyzetben ebből a kategóriából!

Torrente megmondta már a tutit:

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Viccet félretéve, nem csak pusztán potens fegyvert kapsz ennyi pénzért, jó tárgyalással elég jó diplomáciai pozíciókat is ki lehet építeni(pl. nekünk a határon túli magyarokért tehet némi ráhatásos gesztust az US), illetve ipari ellentételezést is lehet hogy sikerül kiharcolni.

 

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Valaki mostanában $20-30m légvédelmi rakétákat emlegetett...
Akkor azt mondtam hogy ez marhaság, ilyen nem létezik. Tévedtem.
Rá kellett jönnöm hogy mégis..

Az USA a Törököknek kínálgatja a Patriotot.
A következő az ajánlatuk $3.5 milliárdért:
80 Patriot MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced rakéta
60 PAC-3 Missile Segment Enhancement rakéta
4 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets,
4 Engagement Control Stations,
10 Antenna Mast Groups,
20 M903 Launching Stations,
5 Electrical Power Plant III systems.
Tényleg bőven $20m fölött van egy roketta ára...

A US ARMY 2013-ban 755m$-ért rendelt 168db PAC3 rakétát a Lockheed-től, az 4,5m$ rakétánként.

 

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A US ARMY 2013-ban 755m$-ért rendelt 168db PAC3 rakétát a Lockheed-től, az 4,5m$ rakétánként.

A Deagelen...
PAC-3 8.3m$/db
PAC-3 MSE 6.1m$/db