Az elmúlt időszak tapasztalatai alapján házirendet kapott a topic.
Ezen témában - a fórumon rendhagyó módon - az oldal üzemeltetője saját álláspontja, meggyőződése alapján nem enged bizonyos véleményeket, mivel meglátása szerint az káros a járványhelyzet enyhítését célzó törekvésekre.
Kérünk, hogy a vírus veszélyességét kétségbe vonó, oltásellenes véleményed más platformon fejtsd ki. Nálunk ennek nincs helye. Az ilyen hozzászólásokért 1 alkalommal figyelmeztetés jár, majd folytatása esetén a témáról letiltás. Arra is kérünk, hogy a fórum más témáiba ne vigyétek át, mert azért viszont már a fórum egészéről letiltás járhat hosszabb-rövidebb időre.
Az elmúlt időszak tapasztalatai alapján frissített házirendet kapott a topic.
--- VÁLTOZÁS A MODERÁLÁSBAN ---
A források, hírek preferáltak. Azoknak, akik veszik a fáradságot és összegyűjtik ezeket a főként harcokkal, a háború jelenlegi állásával és haditechnika szempontjából érdekes híreket, (mindegy milyen oldali) forrásokkal alátámasztják és bonuszként legalább a címet egy google fordítóba berakják, azoknak ismételten köszönjük az áldozatos munkáját és további kitartást kívánunk nekik!
Ami nem a topik témájába vág vagy akár csak erősebb hangnemben is kerül megfogalmazásra, az valamilyen formában szankcionálva lesz
Minden olyan hozzászólásért ami nem hír, vagy szorosan a konfliktushoz kapcsolódó vélemény / elemzés azért instant 3 nap topic letiltás jár. Aki pedig ezzel trükközne és folytatná másik topicban annak 2 hónap fórum ban a jussa.
Az elmúlt évek tapasztalatai alapján, és a kialakult helyzet kapcsán szeretnénk elkerülni a (többek között az ukrán topikban is tapasztalható) információs zajt, amit részben a hazai sajtóorgánumok hozzá nem értő cikkei által okozott visszhang gerjeszt. Mivel kizárható, hogy a hazai sajtó, vagy mainstream szakértők többletinformációval rendelkezzenek a fórumhoz képest a Wagner katonai magánvállalat oroszországi műveletével kapcsolatban, így kiegészítő szabály lép érvénybe a topik színvonalának megőrzése, javítása érdekében:
Ezen tartalmak az oldal tulajdonosának és moderátorainak belátása szerint egyéb szabálysértés hiányában is törölhetők, a törlés minden esetben (az erőforrások megőrzése érdekében) külön indoklás nélkül történik.
Preferáltak az elsődleges és másodlagos források, pl. a résztvevő felekhez köthető Telegram chat-ek, illetve az ezeket közvetlenül szemléző szakmai felületek, felhasználók.
"Demagóg" propagandát Te írtál. Évek óta csak az A400M hibáiról lehet olvasni, és hogy a fejlesztő országokon kívül alig veszi valaki...!
- szerintem a C-130 nem drágább az A-400-nál. Mind a két gépe nagyon drága. Az egyik $130-150m a másik €130-150m...
Még ennél vadabb a helyzet.
Ki tudja, hogy mi mindent vettek még a gépek mellé? - Pl. képzés, szimulátor, karbantartás + szervizelés, pótalkatrészek és cserehajtóművek etc. Mellyel viszont van 6 bevethető gépük a 15 hipermodern, de használhatatlan mellett.
Elo vagy fizetve a Financial Times-ra? Hmmm... Te valami A400 lobbista vagy?
Nem, szimplan elofizetek erre is, egy marek mas ujsaggal egyutt 10-15 eve mar, ideat ez nem akkora osszeg a kozeposztalynak.
Persze, miert ne ismernem be? Az nem egy titokzatos munka, konkretan regisztralnod kell, mint lobbyist, maskulonben a vegen lecsuknak.Ertem. Akkor bemasolod ide?
(Ha lobbista lennel akkor beismerned?
Airbus A400M: The €20bn military aircraft that has bedevilled Airbus
European militaries hope airlifter’s troubles are behind it more than 15 years after launch
Tracker Peggy Hollinger in Seville, Tobias Buck in Berlin and Laura Pitel in Ankara July 3, 2018
The giant propeller system on the wing of the A400M is known as El Toro to the Airbus workers who assemble the military transport aircraft outside Seville. At 683kg, not only does the propeller weigh roughly the same as a young prize bull, but up close its 5.3-metre span conveys the same impression of enormous power.
And like a bull, the A400M programme has been an unpredictable beast. The challenges of developing a multi-role heavy lift aircraft using new engine and composite technologies have torn up the planning of the seven nations who backed its development and the finances of the company that took on the contract.
Since its launch in 2003, it is estimated that Airbus has recorded provisions of about €8bn — the latest of €1.3bn in February— on a programme originally expected to cost €20bn. The first aircraft was delivered four years late — to France, which has since been forced to buy alternative lifters to cover the gap caused by delays.
Since that first delivery, the programme has been plagued by persistent capability shortfalls, new delays and technological problems, the gravest of which led to the deaths of four crew after an aircraft crashed in 2015.
Now Fernando Alonso, Airbus’s head of military aircraft, wants to reassure existing and potential customers that the programme’s troubled history is nearing its end.
The industrial problems that hampered the programme and led to management changes in 2015 had been resolved, he said. This year, aircraft were being delivered “on the date that was planned, sometimes a little earlier”.
Some customers agree that the worst industrial problems have been dealt with, even if the company is not able to deliver the aircraft originally envisaged for several years.
Germany has been one of the most vocal critics of Airbus and its handling of the programme. But a spokesman for the German defence ministry told the Financial Times that, despite dissatisfaction over the lack of certain capability, “the difficulties in terms of production and delivery have now largely been overcome”.
A Turkish official said that among the issues that remain to be resolved, there was “nothing that is a showstopper. We are happy with the aircraft and the programme”.
But Airbus is still paying heavy penalties — estimated by one analyst at as much as €1m per aircraft a month — for both the capability shortfalls and the delays to resolving them.
One of the problems has been that customers demanded very different specifications, pushing up the complexity and cost.Last year the company embarked on negotiations that will, for the second time in less than a decade, reset the terms of the original fixed price contract.
Widely seen as the programme’s original sin, the contract assumed, wrongly, that commercial terms could be applied to a complex multi-nation defence procurement. The renegotiation, expected to conclude this year, will see a reduction in the penalties for delivery delays, but Airbus will still be liable for the lack of capability, according to Mr Alonso.
But he insisted that this was the last revision to terms. “No more renegotiations,” he said, before adding a caveat: “Not during my lifetime.”
Agreement had, he said, already been reached on three new road maps for the programme. The first one sets a slower pace of production and deliveries, which gives Airbus extra time to develop the fixes for outstanding issues on the engine and on the aircraft’s capabilities.
But cutting the rate of production from 15 this year to eight by 2020 could also push up costs. This may be why Mr Alonso said exports were “priority number one . . . We need to export. Unless we secure export sales within the next four or five years, we will need to take other action.”
Mr Alonso said that “hundreds” of exports were needed and the US — home to the workhorses of military transport, Lockheed Martin’s C130J and Boeing’s C17 — was a prime target customer. “I think this plane will sell itself once people start getting confidence . . . but we need to do the first one.” He remained confident that a new order was imminent. Speculation focused on Indonesia, which has said it needs about two aircraft.
The second road map sets out how Airbus intends to resolve the capability gap. The A400M has still not delivered four of the original capabilities required by customers: the ability to drop 58 paratroopers from each door simultaneously; aerial delivery of multiple types of cargo; a fully-capable self-defence system; and helicopter refuelling.
But from 2021, every aircraft coming off the production line would meet revised specifications, Mr Alonso said. One customer confirmed that compromises had been reached on some original requirements.
The third and final agreement maps out how Airbus intends to upgrade aircraft to meet original specifications. It is clear that with current retrofits taking between four and eight months and a further, less complex phase to upgrade to full specification from 2021, the aircraft will not be delivering everything originally promised for several years. One UK official said the Royal Air Force fleet would not be fully capable until the mid-2020s.
The German government estimates that its fleet will be 139 months late by the time all requirements are met. Airbus said it did not recognise the figure.
The good news is that with the new schedules agreed, “the nations now have a clear plan of when each of the aeroplanes is going to be available to them in the final configuration”, said Mr Alonso.
The bad news is that the retrofits will continue to affect availability of the aircraft. The French Cour des Comptes noted recently that France’s availability rate was just 20 per cent. Mr Alonso insisted that this was not the norm, with some air forces recording rates of 80 per cent or more. But he admitted that the complexity of the retrofits meant the upgrades would continue to have an impact.
The final phase of discussions is now focused on addressing the remaining issues with the engine, the largest turboprop to be developed and used operationally in the west. Problems with the propeller gearbox that emerged in 2016, which severely limited the aircraft’s operation, have been resolved with a temporary fix and a permanent solution will be introduced at the end of this year.
What remained were “irritants”, said Christophe Bruneau, president of the A400M engine consortium, Europrop International. These include replacing the combustion chamber — a complex task that requires taking the engine off wing — and issues with sensors. Roughly 105 engines will have to be retrofitted.
Mr Alonso said that Airbus in the coming weeks and months would deliver to the launch customers a “plan to identify the root causes of all those issues that remain on the engines and how we are going to fix them”.
Looking forward, the A400M would be a success, he insisted. Even with the gaps, the aircraft is able to do more than rivals. It will bridge the strategic capability of the larger C17 Globemaster and the tactical abilities of the smaller C130, is able to fly at Mach 0.72 and to take off and land on prepared and rough terrain. “With 11,000-horsepower engines, you have nothing comparable,” he said.
Looking back, the lessons learnt in the delivery of Europe’s newest military aircraft programme should not be forgotten. “We [Airbus] underestimated the complexity, the total complexity of the A400M,” Mr Alonso admitted.
The customers too had lacked the necessary discipline to align their needs and rein in their conflicting desires. But for now “we are progressing”, he said. “We are solving the subjects one after another. We are determined to make this aircraft a success.”
Persze, rendben van a cikk. A magamfajta laikusoknak pont megfelel. Azt viszont meg mindig nem latom, hogy szuksegunk lenne egy ekkora szornyre. Vagyis haromra. Marmint erdekes a gep, csak nem a beszerzesek kozott.
Az a baj, hogy nem tudjuk mit is akarnak pontosan, ha tényleg akarnak valami nehéz cuccot deszantolni akkor 1 db ilyen kategóriájú gép kell, ha ez a cél akkor 1+2 (kicsi) felállásban akár helye is lehetne.
