[BIZTPOL] Románia

[PFZ]

Mert szerinted nálunk nem ez van? Pont az a probléma hogy nálunk is ugyanez van. És egyre inkább ebbe az irányba megyünk. Sajnos egyre inkább eltűnik a különbség.

Elhiszem hogy nem tetszenek a számok, mert nekem sem tetszenek.

Sajnos nálunk is meredeken esik a színvonal, de. Még mindig előttük járunk. Mondjuk a jelenség az egész nyugati világra kihat.

 

[elnor]

I have some good laughs reading these last weeks...

the idea that Romania would attack Hungary is one of the silliest things I've heard lately. There is absolutely no reason for that to happen, other than, say, Hungary allying with Russia and attacking NATO or the European Union.

Likewise, an attack by Hungary, even equipped with all the armor in the Zrinyi program, would again be very fanciful. Romania would have 2 brigades in the West, could bring another brigade from Oltenia and wouldn't even have to move the special forces brigade from Targu Mures or the mountain troops in Szekelyland. A Patriot battery, a squadron of F-16s and a battalion of Himars would be enough to keep the two Hungarian army in check; in fact, the moment your only armored brigade would attack, Hungary would become so vulnerable to the maneuver of at least 3 Romanian brigades in the area that it could still be over in a month. This would keep some infantry brigades plus the tracked ones in the East without need to move them. Add to this the new units which will be formed in coming years.

The only plausible scenario in which your armored forces would fight would be alongside a Romanian, a Slovak and a German brigade, probably under German command, somewhere east of the Carpathians, in Ukraine, to defend NATO or the EU from Russian aggression.

The Romanian army has a very important thing and that is the experience (even limited in conflicts like Iraq, Afghanistan) in last 20 years and in comparison the Hungarian army has not fired a shot in war conditions for 80 years or even more; add to this about 20,000 reservists rotated in the above-mentioned conflicts and about 50,000 Gendarmerie troops who receive military training and gear.

There are a lot of prejudices written here, some about the level of preparedness, others about different allies (the Serbia thing is just the fantasy of some nostalgic Ceausist), for your own good you should pay a bit more attention to what is happening to your east because despite the proximity there is so much false information.

 

[Irsai Olivér]

Thanks for your comment.

 

[Bálint]

The Romanian army has a very important thing and that is the experience (even limited in conflicts like Iraq, Afghanistan) in last 20 years and in comparison the Hungarian army has not fired a shot in war conditions for 80 years or even more

Big bullshit

 

[dudi]

Azért nem érted se te, se a többség mert valóban nem ismeritek őket. Milliószor le lett írva a mentalitásuk, a "fegyelmük", a mély balkáni szemléletük. A lopás nemzeti sport arrafelé. Én értem, hogy te és itt még jó sokan csak a papírt és a számokat nézitek, de egy hadseregnél nem csak ezek a számok számítanak. Na és erről nem tudtok semmit.

Korrupcióban már lehagytuk őket, csaxólok.

 

[arcas]

Nem akartam röhögőssel jutalmazni a kommentet, inkább kiszemezem a roppantul kinos mondatot:

Szlovákia most tárgyal egy 100 körüli harckocsibeszerzésről

Ha tudnád mi mindenről tárgyalt már Magyarország, vagy ép Románia, hajh...

a megrendelt IVF-jeik minden tekintetben jobbak a Lynxeinknél

Nem jobbak minden tekintetben, de szerintem azt sem tudod mit vettek ezek szerint...

F16 Block 70 jobb a Gripen C/D-nél

Jobbak lesznek, ha két-három év múlva magabiztosan maguk üzemeltetik és kellő mennyiségű fegyvert vesznek és elég tapasztalatot szereznek hozzá. Addig még évekig -ha nem egy egész évtizedig- a sokal tapasztaltabb hajózó és műszaki állománynak köszönhetően egálban, de szerintem egyértelmű fölényben lesz a Magyar légierő. Mert ez a történet nem csak egy az egyben a gép technikai paramétereiben mérendő!

 

[TribunusAlex]

I have some good laughs reading these last weeks...

the idea that Romania would attack Hungary is one of the silliest things I've heard lately. There is absolutely no reason for that to happen, other than, say, Hungary allying with Russia and attacking NATO or the European Union.

Likewise, an attack by Hungary, even equipped with all the armor in the Zrinyi program, would again be very fanciful. Romania would have 2 brigades in the West, could bring another brigade from Oltenia and wouldn't even have to move the special forces brigade from Targu Mures or the mountain troops in Szekelyland. A Patriot battery, a squadron of F-16s and a battalion of Himars would be enough to keep the two Hungarian army in check; in fact, the moment your only armored brigade would attack, Hungary would become so vulnerable to the maneuver of at least 3 Romanian brigades in the area that it could still be over in a month. This would keep some infantry brigades plus the tracked ones in the East without need to move them. Add to this the new units which will be formed in coming years.

The only plausible scenario in which your armored forces would fight would be alongside a Romanian, a Slovak and a German brigade, probably under German command, somewhere east of the Carpathians, in Ukraine, to defend NATO or the EU from Russian aggression.

The Romanian army has a very important thing and that is the experience (even limited in conflicts like Iraq, Afghanistan) in last 20 years and in comparison the Hungarian army has not fired a shot in war conditions for 80 years or even more; add to this about 20,000 reservists rotated in the above-mentioned conflicts and about 50,000 Gendarmerie troops who receive military training and gear.

There are a lot of prejudices written here, some about the level of preparedness, others about different allies (the Serbia thing is just the fantasy of some nostalgic Ceausist), for your own good you should pay a bit more attention to what is happening to your east because despite the proximity there is so much false information.

Thank you for your comment. Indeed, many people write all kinds of nonsense on this forum. Those who, as soldiers, see the reality clearly, and perhaps served together in a joint mission, know that there is currently no intention on the side of Romania or Hungary to attack each other, especially that we are partners in the NATO alliance system. The intelligence agencies on both sides have an accurate picture of the real strength as well as the Romanian and Hungarian forces. Perhaps we have such an advantage that we even know what kind of lunch will be served in your barracks, since every supplier company has employees of Hungarian origin workers For amateurs, you can write here about the strength of the Romanian military, but I think you write that to the readers of romaniamilitary! Have a nice summer, peace!

 

[arcas]

Likewise, an attack by Hungary, even equipped with all the armor in the Zrinyi program, would again be very fanciful. Romania would have 2 brigades in the West, could bring another brigade from Oltenia and wouldn't even have to move the special forces brigade from Targu Mures or the mountain troops in Szekelyland.

Csak győzzük kivárni mire ideértek...
Romanian Thieves Stole USD 2 M In Diesel From The Mihail Kogalniceanu Military Base For 4 Years

 

[dudi]

Most akkor döntsük már el, hogy a románok ádáz ellenség, vagy semmirevaló népség. Mert a kettő együtt nem megy.

 

[Aladeen]

Most akkor döntsük már el, hogy a románok ádáz ellenség, vagy semmirevaló népség. Mert a kettő együtt nem megy.

Pedig ez a kettő együtt szokott ám járni a propagandában...

 

[Anti]

Most akkor döntsük már el, hogy a románok ádáz ellenség, vagy semmirevaló népség. Mert a kettő együtt nem megy.

Elmogyorozod hogy a ketto egyutt miert nem megy?

 

[dudi]

Elmogyorozod hogy a ketto egyutt miert nem megy?

Egy semmirekellő ember ellenfélnek is semmirekellő. Akire egy vasgolyót nem bízol rá annak adnál puskát a kezébe?

 

[perceptron]

Sokakban van hasonló előítélet.

Egyik barátom '89-ben szökött át Magyarországra erdélyből, egy beszélgetésen belül 3 perc különbséggel képes elmondani hogy "ismerem a románokat, semmire való népség" majd azt hogy "Kolozsvár egy része már olyan mint Manhattan, csupa elegáns vadonatúj épület, csak nem olyan magasak" Nekem ez a két dolog nem igazán jön össze. Főleg hogy nem egy olajországról beszélünk, akik találták a pénzt.

Ez az a Kolozsvar, ahol dogivel van magyar tőke?

Mert ez a trükközés itt mindennapos, hogy ossze próbáljátok mosni a ciganytanya Regatot Erdellyel, amit mint wgy ekszerdobozt loptak el a szorostalpuak. 100+ ev alatt nemhogy felzarkozni nem tudtak hozza, de Csau alatt ezt belatvan szandekosan elkezdték Erdélyt pusztítani, hogy lerangassa a Regat balkani szintjere.
Egy szedett-vedett, osszehazudott balkani orszag, elit nélkül, múlt nélkül, és pont olyan mentalitással.

 

[PFZ]

Korrupcióban már lehagytuk őket, csaxólok.

Reménytelen eset vagy. Költözz már ki mondjuk az Olt völgyébe 1 évre, majd megtudnád mennyire jó és szép idehaza!

 

[TribunusAlex]

Reménytelen eset vagy. Költözz már ki mondjuk az Olt völgyébe 1 évre, majd megtudnád mennyire jó és szép idehaza!

Az Olt völgyében is vannak normális települések és nálunk is vannak olyanok, amire azt mondanád, hogy nem létezik ilyen Magyarországon, de sajnos létezik Nógrádban, Borsodban, Szabolcsban tömegével

 

[nizdam]

Leeds, Anglia. Nem semmi, romanul beszelnek benne a migransok.

 

[alter ego]

I have some good laughs reading these last weeks...

the idea that Romania would attack Hungary is one of the silliest things I've heard lately. There is absolutely no reason for that to happen, other than, say, Hungary allying with Russia and attacking NATO or the European Union.

Likewise, an attack by Hungary, even equipped with all the armor in the Zrinyi program, would again be very fanciful. Romania would have 2 brigades in the West, could bring another brigade from Oltenia and wouldn't even have to move the special forces brigade from Targu Mures or the mountain troops in Szekelyland. A Patriot battery, a squadron of F-16s and a battalion of Himars would be enough to keep the two Hungarian army in check; in fact, the moment your only armored brigade would attack, Hungary would become so vulnerable to the maneuver of at least 3 Romanian brigades in the area that it could still be over in a month. This would keep some infantry brigades plus the tracked ones in the East without need to move them. Add to this the new units which will be formed in coming years.

The only plausible scenario in which your armored forces would fight would be alongside a Romanian, a Slovak and a German brigade, probably under German command, somewhere east of the Carpathians, in Ukraine, to defend NATO or the EU from Russian aggression.

The Romanian army has a very important thing and that is the experience (even limited in conflicts like Iraq, Afghanistan) in last 20 years and in comparison the Hungarian army has not fired a shot in war conditions for 80 years or even more; add to this about 20,000 reservists rotated in the above-mentioned conflicts and about 50,000 Gendarmerie troops who receive military training and gear.

There are a lot of prejudices written here, some about the level of preparedness, others about different allies (the Serbia thing is just the fantasy of some nostalgic Ceausist), for your own good you should pay a bit more attention to what is happening to your east because despite the proximity there is so much false information.

I appreciate your comment. The majority of the people here don't think, that there is any intention in Romanian decision makers to attack Hungary. This is above question. And the same for Hungary, no intention to attack Romania or any other country. I rather think, the economical, military or scientifc cooperation among East European countries is far better, than it was ever in our history. The topic of discussion is not the intention, but the capability of doing so. Intention may change quickly, and if or whether it changes, can depend on the military capability of the country. This is the reason why we discuss it, regardless of the intention. To improve capability however, is a matter of at least a decade of intensive spending and development.

 

[elnor]

Thank you also for you comment. Well, I actually hope cooperation in Eastern Europe will be even greater, after all now you're free to move, live, have business across Europe and develop our countries.

Indeed, intention may change and capability is important but looking back to this thread there's no discussion about how to help defend EU but something else. So you should consider my message in this context.

 

[PFZ]

Leeds, Anglia. Nem semmi, romanul beszelnek benne a migransok.

És tényleg. Nem semmi, úgy látszik létrejött a nagy román arab testvériség.

 

[perceptron]

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Ugyan, ez semmi. Bezzeg a romanoke! Meg el sem kezdtek gyartani, de maris retteghetunk!