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ghostrider said:
Egész egyszerűen fel nem fogom, hogy bárki hogyan képes ilyen marhaságot leírni és azzal védekezni, hogy "de hát azt írta.".
Hol marad a józan ész, vagy reality check...?

Na, akkor kezdjük.
R-73BM!!! a rakéta típusa. Szerintem még azt sem tudtátok, hogy van ilyen.
Lehet, hogy nem teljesen arra vonatkozik az információ, ahogy leírták, de az összehasonlítások teljesen falsok.
Milyen kormányzása van ennek a rakétának a manőverezéshez és milyen a többieknek?
40G manőverezést kell biztosítani folyamatosan a rakétának kétszeres hatótávolságon!
Összehasonlítani az almát a dinnyékkel.
Senki nem védekezett, hogy "de hát azt írta." Egyszerűen odatettem a forrást!
Ne hablatyolj itt összevissza. Nem kell a nagy arc!!!
Kattints ide a kinyitáshoz...
Komolyan mondom nem értelek. Megmutattam egy valós rakétával mi hol van. Erre most még nekiállsz ezzel...?
Nincs 80 sec égéisdő. A 8 sec is csak dual thrusttal jön ki vagy csökkentette tolóerővel. Az ISP azonos, mint 30 éve.
 
A rakéta addig tud 40G-el manőverezni, ameddig a hajtómű dolgozik, mivel a többiekkel ellentétben a rakétának tolóerővektor-eltérítésű a kormányzása. 40 km hatótávolsága, a réginek 2x. Ezt mivel érik el? Lehetséges, hogy csökkentett tolóerővel dolgozik a hajtómű?
 
Elírták szerintem a Bastion-karpenko oldalon, sehol máshol nem írnak 80 sec-ot, illetve semmit nem írnak. Ez a rakéta is csak kiállítási anyag,a Miszki Milex-2017 kiállításon mutatták be.

A rakéta müszaki jellemzői:
Основные ТТХ Р-73БМ:

  • дальность поражения цели — 0,3-12 км; hatótáv-max 12 km
  • высота поражения для ЗРК — 0,1-7 км;
  • высота поражения с воздушного носителя — 0,005-20 км;
  • вероятность поражения цели одной УР — 0,8;
  • максимальная перегрузка УР — 40 g;
  • максимальная перегрузка цели — 12 g.
 
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Allesmor Obranna said:
Ezt a csehszlovákok dezinformatíve rakták ki a statikus sorra anno.
Viszont valódi R-60-as sínre raktak fel R-60-ast Mi-8-asra és 24-este is, kísérleti jelleggel, de ez már nagyon sokszor volt itt téma a HTKA-n.
Kattints ide a kinyitáshoz...
"Air-to-air role
The Mil OKB experimented with giving the 'Hind'
counter-air capability as well, to which end R-60 (AA-8
'Aphid'), R-73 (AA-11 'Archer') and 9M39 Igla-V ('Needle')
air-to-air missiles were tested on the Mi-24. Even though
the results were not particularly encouraging, a few
Mi-24Vs were retrofitted in service with launchers for
R-60 AAMs in the late 1980s. One of the units involved in
testing the R-60 installation was the 1038th TsPLS (Tsentr
pereuchivaniya lyotnovo sostahva = conversion training
centre) in the Turkestan Defence District which undertook
much test work to investigate the helicopter's capabilities.
The pilot aimed the R-60s by means of the ASP-17V
gunsight, turning the helicopter until he got a lock-on from
the missiles' IR seekers. During early tests the missiles were
fired against flare bombs, with considerable success.
However, in mock combat with helicopters fitted with
IR-suppression exhaust mixers (when the pilot did everything
short of actually firing a missile), target acquisition
range was no more than 600 m (1,968 ft), and less against
piston-engined targets. The climate of Central Asia did not
help, either, as ground temperature reached 60°C (14()°F)
and confused the missiles' seeker heads during NoE flying.
As a result, the R-60 was not widely used on the Mi-24,
but a few 'Hind' squadrons, including some stationed in
East Germany, had their helicopters equipped with AAMs.
The Soviet Air Force's interest in the Mi-24 as an air
defence weapon against slow-flying targets grew considerably
following Matthias Rust's notorious landing in Moscow's
Red Square, on 29 May 1987. Consequently, several
Mi-24 squadrons were transferred to the Air Defence
Force's fighter arm, IA PVO (istrebeetel'naya aviahtsiya
protivovozdushnoy oborony). The 'fighter' 'Hinds' saw real
action against intruders into Soviet airspace, notably in the
Kaliningrad PVO District where Mi-24s often had to deal
with wayward aircraft - and forced them down on Soviet
airfields in several instances."
Mi-24 Hind Combat Crocodile, p. 53
 
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ravenlord said:
"Air-to-air role
The Mil OKB experimented with giving the 'Hind'
counter-air capability as well, to which end R-60 (AA-8
'Aphid'), R-73 (AA-11 'Archer') and 9M39 Igla-V ('Needle')
air-to-air missiles were tested on the Mi-24. Even though
the results were not particularly encouraging, a few
Mi-24Vs were retrofitted in service with launchers for
R-60 AAMs in the late 1980s. One of the units involved in
testing the R-60 installation was the 1038th TsPLS (Tsentr
pereuchivaniya lyotnovo sostahva = conversion training
centre) in the Turkestan Defence District which undertook
much test work to investigate the helicopter's capabilities.
The pilot aimed the R-60s by means of the ASP-17V
gunsight, turning the helicopter until he got a lock-on from
the missiles' IR seekers. During early tests the missiles were
fired against flare bombs, with considerable success.
However, in mock combat with helicopters fitted with
IR-suppression exhaust mixers (when the pilot did everything
short of actually firing a missile), target acquisition
range was no more than 600 m (1,968 ft), and less against
piston-engined targets. The climate of Central Asia did not
help, either, as ground temperature reached 60°C (14()°F)
and confused the missiles' seeker heads during NoE flying.
As a result, the R-60 was not widely used on the Mi-24,
but a few 'Hind' squadrons, including some stationed in
East Germany, had their helicopters equipped with AAMs.
The Soviet Air Force's interest in the Mi-24 as an air
defence weapon against slow-flying targets grew considerably
following Matthias Rust's notorious landing in Moscow's
Red Square, on 29 May 1987. Consequently, several
Mi-24 squadrons were transferred to the Air Defence
Force's fighter arm, IA PVO (istrebeetel'naya aviahtsiya
protivovozdushnoy oborony). The 'fighter' 'Hinds' saw real
action against intruders into Soviet airspace, notably in the
Kaliningrad PVO District where Mi-24s often had to deal
with wayward aircraft - and forced them down on Soviet
airfields in several instances."
Mi-24 Hind Combat Crocodile, p. 53
Kattints ide a kinyitáshoz...
Ez az amiről írtam, korábban számos fotó is volt itt a fórumban szovjet Mi-24-esekről és Mi-8-asokról.
A fenti képen viszont egy csehszlovák Mi-24D van, amelyiknél a Falanga rakéták sínjére egyszerűen rárakták az R-60-asokat. A kiállított módon nem is lehetne a rakétákkal semmit se kezdeni, mivel a Falanga elektromos csatlakozóit lényegében az R-60-asok fúvócsövébe dugták be! :)
 
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